theboyangel Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Rugby's top league is ring-fenced now too. What's the difference? For one season due to the pandemic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 What happens if some of these teams players want to play for their country,or just dont want to play in a super league and become persona non grata in terms of being transferred,will they be blacklisted,will they only be transferred inside their own ESL bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, jackbauer24 said: 1st step, fine them for bringing game in to disrepute. Quote "In exchange for their commitment, Founding Clubs will receive an amount of €3.5 billion solely to support their infrastructure investment plans and to offset the impact of the COVID pandemic. It’s not clear if this is 3.5 billion for each club but somehow I think any fines won’t really matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Delphinho123 said: I think you’ll be surprised. We’re talking about clubs going against FIFA and UEFA and forming their own competition. I don’t think this is a case of everyone just getting together and accepting this. UEFA as an organisation becomes largely redundant doesn’t it if this happens? The PL as an organisation suddenly becomes a lot poorer. The fans will revolt if their clubs aren’t playing in a domestic competition. I think you’re about to see the biggest fight in football ever unfold. I don't think there is a fight though. These clubs have too much in terms of commercial real estate that the leagues will just bend over and take it. The real losers are the broadcasters such as Sky and also UEFA. Serves them right. The Premier League will get a back hander and allow the 6 to continue. It's Perez's comments which convince me that nothing will happen. He's talking about sustainability and all that bs. IMO opinion an expulsion from the league is the only option. That's what will hurt them. The world cup and the EURO'S are still the biggest competitions in football protect them and this league will implode. However FIFA will crack and allow players from there to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, 1974Centenary said: What happens if some of these teams players want to play for their country,or just dont want to play in a super league and become persona non grata in terms of being transferred,will they be blacklisted,will they only be transferred inside their own ESL bubble. Was wondering about this , assuming UEFA etc don’t cave in and boot the clubs out I guess ultimately players will follow the money , but if the players collectively say “ we don’t want this” , what happens to them , are they in breach of contract to their clubs or are the clubs in breach of contract to the players . If it’s only about money from players POV , then every decent player at the clubs outside of the ESL will want out surely ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Asian and African fans will not care much, you'd think. And Asia and Africa are the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: I don't think there is a fight though. These clubs have too much in terms of commercial real estate that the leagues will just bend over and take it. The real losers are the broadcasters such as Sky and also UEFA. Serves them right. The Premier League will get a back hander and allow the 6 to continue. It's Perez's comments which convince me that nothing will happen. He's talking about sustainability and all that bs. IMO opinion an expulsion from the league is the only option. That's what will hurt them. The world cup and the EURO'S are still the biggest competitions in football protect them and this league will implode. However FIFA will crack and allow players from there to play. IMO FIFA's statement this evening suggested they will do exactly that, and call it a UEFA matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, HanoiVillan said: IMO FIFA's statement this evening suggested they will do exactly that, and call it a UEFA matter. Let's face it FIFA and UEFA are hardly the models for integrity. The same with the Premier League. 1992 and all that. It's now happening to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: IMO FIFA's statement this evening suggested they will do exactly that, and call it a UEFA matter. The English FA could show solidarity and say they won’t pick any players from those clubs ... unlikely of course , but in theory they could do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, tonyh29 said: The English FA could show solidarity and say they won’t pick any players from those clubs ... unlikely of course , but in theory they could do it Southgate not pick mount. Unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Expel the 6 bring in Rangers and Celtic. Away days there? Chills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: The English FA could show solidarity and say they won’t pick any players from those clubs ... unlikely of course , but in theory they could do it You're right, they could; as you say, it seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1974Centenary Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I wont miss any of these clubs once or if they go. I cant see Harry Kane being overly enthusiastic about not playing for England again,i think the players could make a stand against their owners,that would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2021 Transfers are interesting. When you buy a player, you essentially buy his registration, his registration licenses him to your club and gives you the ability to offer him a contract to play for you. If you take Douglas Luiz, the reason his buyback clause meets employment law is that the contract is pre-arranged with both clubs and it's the registration that is being bought back. The thing is, that registration is a UEFA/FIFA legal object - if these clubs aren't part of a FIFA/UEFA footballing endeavour, there's nothing that says they need those registrations - they can write their own registration documents and trade those - but for players that are outside of their clubs, they don't need to offer a transfer fee - they're not buying anything. The player can resign, or they can buy themselves out of their contract for the remainder of its value - but there doesn't need to be a transfer fee because they don't need a registration. In theory, if FIFA/UEFA don't ratify this and the clubs go ahead completely in isolation to FIFA/UEFA then Man Utd could offer Jack Grealish a contract, pay up what's on his existing one (four years at £7m a year is £28m) and just take him - in theory he could just resign and then sign for them in three months time - the need for a transfer fee rests on every player being registered with FIFA/UEFA, and there's a chance that this league simply wouldn't care about that - it'd be like they quit to become a plumber. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 This is a done deal though now isn’t it ? This league is happening regardless of the outcome and the UEFA champions league is no more , all be it it could survive in a lesser format that sees it dominated by Bayern Munich for the next zillion years , if they stand firm . so from the rest of English footballs perspective , they need to generate the money that fixtures like Fulham v Burnley isn’t going to generate ... bringing Celtic and Rangers into the fold could be a money spinner but would then ultimately bankrupt every other Scottish club ... which sadly brings you back to needing to play Liverpool, Citeh etc so they will get away with it wont they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted April 19, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2021 I think it's a very difficult situation for UEFA and for the Premier league. UEFA will be very aware that this isn't an addition to the footballing stable, it's a coup, these twelve clubs would essentially be replacing UEFA as the body running elite European football - UEFA's revenues would be hit, but more than that, they'd no longer be in charge of football in Europe. It would be the end of that. For the Premier League, any club with ambition has to be in opposition to this - if Mr Purslow doesn't oppose it, he permanently relegates Villa to the status of second class citizen - it is a permanent glass ceiling over a whole lot of clubs - but at the same time, they'll know that their revenues are to a large extent reliant on those clubs and what they bring to the league - the brand would be massively damaged if they're thrown out. It's a harsh choice between being a potentially stable second tier team or the dirt poor champions of new England. It's really vital that fans, the media and everyone else involved with the game keeps up the pressure on the twelve and keeps reiterating the support for the leagues and UEFA in taking strong action - this is going to be a PR war and losing it kills football for anyone outside of the twelve. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, 1974Centenary said: What happens if some of these teams players want to play for their country,or just dont want to play in a super league and become persona non grata in terms of being transferred,will they be blacklisted,will they only be transferred inside their own ESL bubble. I think there is a mountain of details to sift through. If nothing else, it will be fascinating to see how it plays out. At the very least, I hope these clubs are raked over the coals by their own supporters and everyone else. That they are shamed in the public square and that when fans come back they give them an earful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: This is a done deal though now isn’t it ? I don't think it is. The league can't deal with the loss of income that throwing out the six English teams would cause, but those teams won't cope without the income that leaving the Premier league would cause them. It's a game of chicken in which we're cheerleaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted April 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2021 What a sad, sad day. Truly upsetting. Also, it’s already split the fans of the clubs involved. Some are against, some say it’s inevitable. Divide and conquer - it’s the oldest trick in the book. The first league competition formed in 1888 by our own William McGregor. Put on life support in 1992 and the plug was finally pulled in 2021. Truly depressing - but I guess that’s progress. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, OutByEaster? said: I don't think it is. The league can't deal with the loss of income that throwing out the six English teams would cause, but those teams won't cope without the income that leaving the Premier league would cause them. It's a game of chicken in which we're cheerleaders. I think the league has to call their bluff, and all the other leagues and UEFA. Make THEM sweat, not us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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