Indigo Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: 4th (or better...) will be so so tough again. But the size and quality of the squad we suddenly have is extraordinary. I think it's important fans remember we can be seriously good this season and still finish 7th. Yep. As much as you could say the same for Villa, all of Spurs, Newcastle, Chelsea and United had heaps of injuries themselves last season and to varying degrees have strong squads on paper. Won't be easy to replicate the achievement of last season nor would it be a failure if we didn't manage it, can only imagine it's going to be a tough, competitive season. Hard to say this early but if we could just solidify European football again for the third season in a row it'd be good going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 28 minutes ago, Indigo said: Yep. As much as you could say the same for Villa, all of Spurs, Newcastle, Chelsea and United had heaps of injuries themselves last season and to varying degrees have strong squads on paper. Won't be easy to replicate the achievement of last season nor would it be a failure if we didn't manage it, can only imagine it's going to be a tough, competitive season. Hard to say this early but if we could just solidify European football again for the third season in a row it'd be good going. I think for us as fans this would be acceptable, but I reckon the coaching staff and boardroom have ambitions to get champions league regularly. Some of our growth might depend on it. I think there is A LOT of pressure to succeed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders129 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Really interested to see how Unai evolves the team tactically this year. Will we see more 352 with Illing Jr and JPB as wingbacks? How will the double pivot evolve now we have a physical dominator like Onana? Will Maatsen be utilised as an inverted full back? Will we maintain the slow, low intensity style or will a more intense press be incorporated. Fascinating 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 2 hours ago, rodders129 said: Really interested to see how Unai evolves the team tactically this year. Will we see more 352 with Illing Jr and JPB as wingbacks? How will the double pivot evolve now we have a physical dominator like Onana? Will Maatsen be utilised as an inverted full back? Will we maintain the slow, low intensity style or will a more intense press be incorporated. Fascinating He'll do it game by game, situation by situation. This squad is so versatile, he'll be confusing opponents on the fly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 As soon as the ball hits the CDMs/CMs, we better have some **** runners man. We're loaded with people who can play good forward passes through lines now, as well as being loaded with people who can run in forward areas. I think the only play style well struggle against is the low block teams, but we'll see. I can see us beating quite a few of our "league rivals" this year, because of the style we play. Excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 13 hours ago, Tomaszk said: 4th (or better...) will be so so tough again. But the size and quality of the squad we suddenly have is extraordinary. I think it's important fans remember we can be seriously good this season and still finish 7th. 7th would be a big disappointment IMO. Not really because of the okay but because of the financial aspect to keep progressing we desperately need CL or Europa League football. Conference league finances just don't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 51 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: 7th would be a big disappointment IMO. Not really because of the okay but because of the financial aspect to keep progressing we desperately need CL or Europa League football. Conference league finances just don't cut it. We have the 8th biggest budget don't we? 4th is a big overachievement. Other sides want that CL money as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 9 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: We have the 8th biggest budget don't we? 4th is a big overachievement. Other sides want that CL money as well. To catch up to others/stay ahead we have to overachieve relative to budget until our budget is big enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders129 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 I think the target will be Europa League minimum and try to win a trophy. Will be tough though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 I can see this starting 11 against West Ham (unless some injuries happen or we sign someone significantly better). Martinez Cash, Konsa, Torres, Maatsen Bailey, Onana, Tielemans, Rodgers Mcginn, Watkins Happy with this starting 11? Who would you replace? (I'm assuming here Mings, Buendia and Ramsey are not 100% fit to start the game after hardly playing a game in last 12 months). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 1 hour ago, Czarnikjak said: I can see this starting 11 against West Ham (unless some injuries happen or we sign someone significantly better). Martinez Cash, Konsa, Torres, Maatsen Bailey, Onana, Tielemans, Rodgers Mcginn, Watkins Happy with this starting 11? Who would you replace? (I'm assuming here Mings, Buendia and Ramsey are not 100% fit to start the game after hardly playing a game in last 12 months). Martinez Cash, Konsa, Torres, Maatsen Bailey, Onana, Tielemans, Mcginn Rogers, Watkins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Just now, Pongo Waring said: Martinez Cash, Konsa, Torres, Maatsen Bailey, Onana, Tielemans, Mcginn Rogers, Watkins So you’re replacing Rodgers for Rogers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Just now, PaulMcGrath_5 said: So you’re replacing Rodgers for Rogers? Yeah Diego Costa and Rodgers dont make the cut i'm afraid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Still playing very similar to how we finished last year. I’m sure he’ll have some minor tweaks match to match but wouldn’t expect to see too much variation. But perhaps a more expanded number of personnel options will allow Unai some more adventurous tactics this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 On 18/07/2024 at 18:22, Herman22 said: With Onana and Jaden pretty much on board I think we have some real options. I’m assume Diaby is gone! And one of Moreno or Digne will go. I think this is the best team we have for West Ham: Emi Konsa Carlos Pau Maatsen Onana Bailey McGinn Tielemans Rodgers Ollie That gives us a sub bench of Gauci, Kosta, Moreno, Mings, Barkley, Enzo, Jaden, JJ and Duran (or a replacement striker) That would mean Buendia, Iling Jr, Cash, Archer, Dobbin don’t even make the bench. Or Barkley next to Onana, with McGinn on the bench in a 4 2 3 1 does look a strong bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 When the dust has settled and the transfers complete…..I think we will have threats of one nature or another, all over the park….I think we will be a more threatening team. We will be a stronger unit, we just then have to gel, which will improve incrementally. I envisage more energy and intensity, from a young and more athletic squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_Villaman84 Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 Emery Ball 3 Variant which I know so far Emery like play (442) & 4411 (one Overlap side with SS Roles) -----------------Watkins-------(Bailey)------- --------------vv<<< Roger ^^---------------------^^^^ (Roger)--McGinn>>>--Onana--Telisman--Bailey ^^^Maatan------Pau-------Konsa-------Cash -----------------------Martinez----------------------- ------(JPB)---------------Archer----------------- ^^^^^^--------^^^ Buendia >>>>vvv--------- JPB-------Barkley------Kamara--<<<Ramsey--(Buendia) Dignes------Mings----Carlos----Konsta^^^^ -------------------Olsen/Guaci----------------------- (3-4-3 FB > WM & AM > FW) 4312 DM drop CH Variant --------(Roger)----Watkins-------Bailey------- ----------------------vv Roger ^^-------------------- (Maatsan)---Telisman--Kamara--Ramsey--(Cash) ^^^Maatsan---(Kamara)---Pau-------Konsa----Cash^^^^ -----------------------Martinez----------------------- --------(Buendia)----Archer-------JPB------- ----------------------vv Buendia^^-------------------- (Moreno)---Barkley--Onana--Mcginn--(Konsta) ^^^Moreno---(Onana)---Mings----Carlos----Konsta^^^^ -------------------Olsen/Guaci----------------------- (3-2-3-2 FB > AWM & 2 CM > AM + 1 FW free roles) I think it is complicated Emery do this formation and sometime still confused me. ------------Watkins-------Bailey-------------- ---(Maatsan/Telisman)---^^(Roger)^^---(Ramsey)<<^^^--- ---^^^----Roger-Telisman--Onana--Ramsey Maatsan------------Mings---------Pau----------<<<--Konsa -------------------------Martinez----------------------- (or Maatsan move 3 men CM and Telisman head attack) (Maatan Stay Pau or Mings move 3 men CM and Telisman head attack) ------------Archer-------JPB-------------- -----(Barkley)---^^(Buendia)^^---(Cash/McGinn)<<^^^--- ------Mcginn-Barkley--Kamara--Buendia---^^^-- Pau------------Carlos---------???----------Cash -------------------------Martinez----------------------- (or Cash move 3 men CM and Mcginn head attack) (or Cash Stay one CH (Pau) move 3 men CM and Mcginn head Attack) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAngel Posted July 22 VT Supporter Share Posted July 22 8 minutes ago, Danny_Villaman84 said: Emery Ball 3 Variant which I know so far Emery like play (442) & 4411 (one Overlap side with SS Roles) -----------------Watkins-------(Bailey)------- --------------vv<<< Roger ^^---------------------^^^^ (Roger)--McGinn>>>--Onana--Telisman--Bailey ^^^Maatan------Pau-------Konsa-------Cash -----------------------Martinez----------------------- ------(JPB)---------------Archer----------------- ^^^^^^--------^^^ Buendia >>>>vvv--------- JPB-------Barkley------Kamara--<<<Ramsey--(Buendia) Dignes------Mings----Carlos----Konsta^^^^ -------------------Olsen/Guaci----------------------- (3-4-3 FB > WM & AM > FW) 4312 DM drop CH Variant --------(Roger)----Watkins-------Bailey------- ----------------------vv Roger ^^-------------------- (Maatsan)---Telisman--Kamara--Ramsey--(Cash) ^^^Maatsan---(Kamara)---Pau-------Konsa----Cash^^^^ -----------------------Martinez----------------------- --------(Buendia)----Archer-------JPB------- ----------------------vv Buendia^^-------------------- (Moreno)---Barkley--Onana--Mcginn--(Konsta) ^^^Moreno---(Onana)---Mings----Carlos----Konsta^^^^ -------------------Olsen/Guaci----------------------- (3-2-3-2 FB > AWM & 2 CM > AM + 1 FW free roles) I think it is complicated Emery do this formation and sometime still confused me. ------------Watkins-------Bailey-------------- ---(Maatsan/Telisman)---^^(Roger)^^---(Ramsey)<<^^^--- ---^^^----Roger-Telisman--Onana--Ramsey Maatsan------------Mings---------Pau----------<<<--Konsa -------------------------Martinez----------------------- (or Maatsan move 3 men CM and Telisman head attack) (Maatan Stay Pau or Mings move 3 men CM and Telisman head attack) ------------Archer-------JPB-------------- -----(Barkley)---^^(Buendia)^^---(Cash/McGinn)<<^^^--- ------Mcginn-Barkley--Kamara--Buendia---^^^-- Pau------------Carlos---------???----------Cash -------------------------Martinez----------------------- (or Cash move 3 men CM and Mcginn head attack) (or Cash Stay one CH (Pau) move 3 men CM and Mcginn head Attack) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 35 minutes ago, Danny_Villaman84 said: Emery Ball 3 Variant which I know so far Emery like play (442) & 4411 (one Overlap side with SS Roles) -----------------Watkins-------(Bailey)------- --------------vv<<< Roger ^^---------------------^^^^ (Roger)--McGinn>>>--Onana--Telisman--Bailey ^^^Maatan------Pau-------Konsa-------Cash -----------------------Martinez----------------------- ------(JPB)---------------Archer----------------- ^^^^^^--------^^^ Buendia >>>>vvv--------- JPB-------Barkley------Kamara--<<<Ramsey--(Buendia) Dignes------Mings----Carlos----Konsta^^^^ -------------------Olsen/Guaci----------------------- (3-4-3 FB > WM & AM > FW) 4312 DM drop CH Variant --------(Roger)----Watkins-------Bailey------- ----------------------vv Roger ^^-------------------- (Maatsan)---Telisman--Kamara--Ramsey--(Cash) ^^^Maatsan---(Kamara)---Pau-------Konsa----Cash^^^^ -----------------------Martinez----------------------- --------(Buendia)----Archer-------JPB------- ----------------------vv Buendia^^-------------------- (Moreno)---Barkley--Onana--Mcginn--(Konsta) ^^^Moreno---(Onana)---Mings----Carlos----Konsta^^^^ -------------------Olsen/Guaci----------------------- (3-2-3-2 FB > AWM & 2 CM > AM + 1 FW free roles) I think it is complicated Emery do this formation and sometime still confused me. ------------Watkins-------Bailey-------------- ---(Maatsan/Telisman)---^^(Roger)^^---(Ramsey)<<^^^--- ---^^^----Roger-Telisman--Onana--Ramsey Maatsan------------Mings---------Pau----------<<<--Konsa -------------------------Martinez----------------------- (or Maatsan move 3 men CM and Telisman head attack) (Maatan Stay Pau or Mings move 3 men CM and Telisman head attack) ------------Archer-------JPB-------------- -----(Barkley)---^^(Buendia)^^---(Cash/McGinn)<<^^^--- ------Mcginn-Barkley--Kamara--Buendia---^^^-- Pau------------Carlos---------???----------Cash -------------------------Martinez----------------------- (or Cash move 3 men CM and Mcginn head attack) (or Cash Stay one CH (Pau) move 3 men CM and Mcginn head Attack) Nice attempt, but there is a lot wrong with this. Ramsey plays on the left or centre-left, whereas you have him on the right. Likewise, SJM is more likely to play right or centre-right. JPB, whilst versatile, will likely spell Bailey on the WR, rather than join the left rotation with; Ramsey, Rogers, Iling-Jr. We are unlikely to need Cash to play high up on the right, due to the strength already in that area. Naturally, he may (as might Kosta) progress into those areas, but he's not starting as a RM/RW. The same goes for Maatsen. Quite possible however, that both he and Cash/Kosta, play WB in a back 5, but that will be situational e.g. away to a team with a good home record and playing on the counter. Kamara isn't a bench player. He'll start when fit, even if alongside Onana. Imho, the most likely formation when all players are fit, will be 4-3-2-1 ------------------------- Ollie ----------------------- ------------------ Rogers ------------- Bailey - ------------------------ Tielemans -------------- --------------- Kamara - Onana -------------- Maatsen - Pau - Konsa - Nedeljković ------------------- Martinez---------------------- Also, I do not mean to be a pedant, but it's quite easy to check the spellings of player names; Rogers, Maatsen, Tielemans, Digne, Kosta (Nedeljković). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 16 minutes ago, Tubby said: Nice attempt, but there is a lot wrong with this. Ramsey plays on the left or centre-left, whereas you have him on the right. Likewise, SJM is more likely to play right or centre-right. JPB, whilst versatile, will likely spell Bailey on the WR, rather than join the left rotation with; Ramsey, Rogers, Iling-Jr. We are unlikely to need Cash to play high up on the right, due to the strength already in that area. Naturally, he may (as might Kosta) progress into those areas, but he's not starting as a RM/RW. The same goes for Maatsen. Quite possible however, that both he and Cash/Kosta, play WB in a back 5, but that will be situational e.g. away to a team with a good home record and playing on the counter. Kamara isn't a bench player. He'll start when fit, even if alongside Onana. Imho, the most likely formation when all players are fit, will be 4-3-2-1 ------------------------- Ollie ----------------------- ------------------ Rogers ------------- Bailey - ------------------------ Tielemans -------------- --------------- Kamara - Onana -------------- Maatsen - Pau - Konsa - Nedeljković ------------------- Martinez---------------------- Also, I do not mean to be a pedant, but it's quite easy to check the spellings of player names; Rogers, Maatsen, Tielemans, Digne, Kosta (Nedeljković). Don't think he is dropping mcginn, unless his form drops of. Mcginn was clearly preferred over Tielemans last season. Also having Nedeljkovic (unproven 18 year old) in starting 11 over Cash or Konsa is a bit of a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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