Chicken Field Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 What i find interesting is that so many on here are talking about a lack of quality in our squad and that we have to improve multiple positions to get into the top 8. But that the players we are suggesting to get sold or replaced are all players that would currently get into teams in the teams in the top 8, McGinn, Luiz, Watkins etc. They would all leave to go to clubs above us. The balance in our squad does need to be assessed and improved though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Chicken Field said: What i find interesting is that so many on here are talking about a lack of quality in our squad and that we have to improve multiple positions to get into the top 8. But that the players we are suggesting to get sold or replaced are all players that would currently get into teams in the teams in the top 8, McGinn, Luiz, Watkins etc. They would all leave to go to clubs above us. The balance in our squad does need to be assessed and improved though. I think its more to do with balance.....than the players being not good enough. Now that might sound like a paradox.....too many players are too similar, that doesn't necessarily mean they are no good. I think we need some new types, to join the squad, more than upgrades. another dominant centre back and a competent CDM, will make a huge improvement to this squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Chicken Field said: What i find interesting is that so many on here are talking about a lack of quality in our squad and that we have to improve multiple positions to get into the top 8. But that the players we are suggesting to get sold or replaced are all players that would currently get into teams in the teams in the top 8, McGinn, Luiz, Watkins etc. They would all leave to go to clubs above us. You sure about that? Luiz yes, the other two aren't top 8 level players. You can't go off paper talk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: You sure about that? Luiz yes, the other two aren't top 8 level players. You can't go off paper talk. Are all Wolves players top 8 level players? Watkins is better than Jimenez these days so if Jimenez is top 8 level, Watkins should be higher. There is no top 8 level. There is six big clubs and a bunch of midtable teams trying to break into that club. Sometimes those hopefuls finish 8th, sometimes 13th, often with basically the same squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: Are all Wolves players top 8 level players? Watkins is better than Jimenez these days so if Jimenez is top 8 level, Watkins should be higher. There is no top 8 level. There is six big clubs and a bunch of midtable teams trying to break into that club. Sometimes those hopefuls finish 8th, sometimes 13th, often with basically the same squad. Watkins is not and never has been better than Jimenez, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 (edited) Martinez Cash Chambers Mings Digne Buendia Nakamba McGinn Coutinho Ings Watkins I'd play the above in the next match with Ramsey hot on the heels of McGinn. Edited May 2, 2022 by AV82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: Are all Wolves players top 8 level players? Watkins is better than Jimenez these days so if Jimenez is top 8 level, Watkins should be higher. There is no top 8 level. There is six big clubs and a bunch of midtable teams trying to break into that club. Sometimes those hopefuls finish 8th, sometimes 13th, often with basically the same squad. Time for this one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 hours ago, TRO said: I think its more to do with balance.....than the players being not good enough. Now that might sound like a paradox.....too many players are too similar, that doesn't necessarily mean they are no good. I think we need some new types, to join the squad, more than upgrades. another dominant centre back and a competent CDM, will make a huge improvement to this squad. Most of the spine needs overhauling and I think that comes through upgrades in certain areas (DC, ST) and different types of player in others (CDM, CM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 2 hours ago, VillaParkAvenue said: Are all Wolves players top 8 level players? Watkins is better than Jimenez these days so if Jimenez is top 8 level, Watkins should be higher. There is no top 8 level. There is six big clubs and a bunch of midtable teams trying to break into that club. Sometimes those hopefuls finish 8th, sometimes 13th, often with basically the same squad. Watkins will never be better than Jiminez. That's insane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Tomaszk said: The same formation that does not work is being played over and over. I don’t think this is entirely true. I agree that he has his favoured formation which wasn’t working for us but he has and does tweak it for different opponents. He set us up defensively re Leicester when it was so important not to lose another game and I’m sure he’s stopped or at least minimised the scenario of the full backs going high repeatedly leaving the midfield covering full back with Dougie alone in the middle and the defence exposed. I’m no tactician but it does seem like we’ve seen less of that. There’s also no chance he will set us up like that against Liverpool or City as we’d be murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Pissflaps said: Watkins will never be better than Jiminez. That's insane Have you seen Jimenez play after the injury? I guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 On 02/05/2022 at 22:17, AV82 said: Martinez Cash Chambers Mings Digne Buendia Nakamba McGinn Coutinho Ings Watkins I'd play the above in the next match with Ramsey hot on the heels of McGinn. With Ramsey out, this could be the players he ends up picking, but it looks so weak in the wide areas I can't see it working. Also, is Digne actually fit? The shape of our team is so awkward with the players we have available. I'd like to see Ings, Watkins, Buendia, Coutinho, and Ramsey all on the pitch together, as our 5 best attacking players, but getting them into a viable formation is virtually impossible. I don't know who of those deserves to be dropped to make it work the most, but it sure as hell shouldn't be Buendia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 29 minutes ago, MrBlack said: With Ramsey out, this could be the players he ends up picking, but it looks so weak in the wide areas I can't see it working. Also, is Digne actually fit? The shape of our team is so awkward with the players we have available. I'd like to see Ings, Watkins, Buendia, Coutinho, and Ramsey all on the pitch together, as our 5 best attacking players, but getting them into a viable formation is virtually impossible. I don't know who of those deserves to be dropped to make it work the most, but it sure as hell shouldn't be Buendia. The imbalance was created in the Summer after a poor transfer window. Our squad has a fair bit of talent in it but everyone either wants to play as an 8 or a 10 and we have two strikers who would start at most Prem clubs. We don’t have enough space to fit them all in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 57 minutes ago, MrBlack said: With Ramsey out, this could be the players he ends up picking, but it looks so weak in the wide areas I can't see it working. Also, is Digne actually fit? The shape of our team is so awkward with the players we have available. I'd like to see Ings, Watkins, Buendia, Coutinho, and Ramsey all on the pitch together, as our 5 best attacking players, but getting them into a viable formation is virtually impossible. I don't know who of those deserves to be dropped to make it work the most, but it sure as hell shouldn't be Buendia. Gerrard doesn't have the bollocks or the sense to play Buendia deeper for some reason. We've looked a lot better under Gerrard in a 4-3-1-2 and I think Buendia in place of McGinn (or Ramsey) would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Plenty of options then, even if they are experimental.... may as well use the end of the season with nothing to play for trying them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, AV82 said: Gerrard doesn't have the bollocks or the sense to play Buendia deeper for some reason. We've looked a lot better under Gerrard in a 4-3-1-2 and I think Buendia in place of McGinn (or Ramsey) would work. I wouldn’t have the bollocks to play Buendia deeper either. He’s incredibly creative and always tries unexpected things, which is great higher up the pitch. But he plays with high risk and will always give the ball away a number of times. Don’t want that happening too deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 (edited) The quality in our squad is there, but only to a certain extent. We have players good enough to feature regularly in top 10 sides but this isn’t our problem. It’s the imbalance that has caused this horrible season. From the very first kick, we had no idea what our best formation is and which players should play where. We’ve tried 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1, 4-3-3, 4-3-1-2 and 3-5-2. Most of the time, we’re trying to accommodate the fact we don’t have any pace out wide (Bailey isn’t quick) and we have 2 players competing for the striker position and almost all of our midfielders wanting to play as an advanced 8 or even a 10. The Summer should be all about trying to trim our bloated squad and signing 4 (at least) starting players that are better than the players we have now. We never properly replaced Grealish. We just looked at an excel spreadsheet and thought we had. Edited May 6, 2022 by Delphinho123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 5 hours ago, MrBlack said: With Ramsey out, this could be the players he ends up picking, but it looks so weak in the wide areas I can't see it working. Also, is Digne actually fit? The shape of our team is so awkward with the players we have available. I'd like to see Ings, Watkins, Buendia, Coutinho, and Ramsey all on the pitch together, as our 5 best attacking players, but getting them into a viable formation is virtually impossible. Just need to swap Watkins out for mad Bertie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Just need to swap Watkins out for mad Bertie I'd be on board with that. Might even get a formation out of it: Ings Bertie Coutinho Buendia Ramsey Nakamba(?) Bertie and Buendia swapping sides as and when they feel like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 On 02/05/2022 at 22:17, AV82 said: Martinez Cash Chambers Mings Digne Buendia Nakamba McGinn Coutinho Ings Watkins I'd play the above in the next match with Ramsey hot on the heels of McGinn. Buendia hasn't been coached properly to cover for Cash when he gets forward. This is why there has been so much consistency in the 8s and fullbacks under Gerrard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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