duke313 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, og1874 said: Am I the only one who's given at least fleeting thought to how we might look if we went back to the exact same system we had when Jack was with us, but with Coutinho in Jack's role? Not saying we should, but I've found myself, on occasion, wondering how that would work out Something like this? Buendia------------Coutinho------------Bailey -------------------------Watkins----------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og1874 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, duke313 said: Something like this? Buendia------------Coutinho------------Bailey -------------------------Watkins----------------------- Yup, and not relying on the width coming from the defence, letting the CM stay in CM and not worry about being stand in full backs (which all too frequently leaves us with a CM of 1, or even 0 bodies) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, og1874 said: Yup, and not relying on the width coming from the defence, letting the CM stay in CM and not worry about being stand in full backs (which all too frequently leaves us with a CM of 1, or even 0 bodies) That front 4 if playing well would be the best attacking line up outside the top 6. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og1874 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Just now, duke313 said: That front 4 if playing well would be the best attacking line up outside the top 6. I would possibly say replace Ollie with Ings, but yeah it’s at least got a bit of natural shape to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 What about 4-4-2 utilising Watkins,Ings and Bailey ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLVillan Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 I'm sure this has been posted already, but I think the main issue with the way Gerrard wants to play is complete reliance on the central midfielder being a Kante/Ndidi style of roaming/tackling type. Marvelous is a decent option in there but aside from him we have nobody else like that. Luiz is ideal for the way Dean Smith wanted us to play (ie. a sort of "quarterback who can link play) but he's not mobile enough when we are defending in transition in Gerrard's style. Hence why we keep conceding from quick counter-attacks. He tried McGinn in the role at Wolves and that was a failed experiment. For the rest of this season it's either going to take a radical shift in mindset from Gerrard or the return of Nakamba to see the team play effectively. My big worry is now the expectation level has been raised too high for Nakamba and he's viewed as the missing piece - and I'm not sure that he's proven over a sustained period of time that he is at that level. I've always liked him as a player so I hope he is! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, FLVillan said: I'm sure this has been posted already, but I think the main issue with the way Gerrard wants to play is complete reliance on the central midfielder being a Kante/Ndidi style of roaming/tackling type. Marvelous is a decent option in there but aside from him we have nobody else like that. Luiz is ideal for the way Dean Smith wanted us to play (ie. a sort of "quarterback who can link play) but he's not mobile enough when we are defending in transition in Gerrard's style. Hence why we keep conceding from quick counter-attacks. He tried McGinn in the role at Wolves and that was a failed experiment. For the rest of this season it's either going to take a radical shift in mindset from Gerrard or the return of Nakamba to see the team play effectively. My big worry is now the expectation level has been raised too high for Nakamba and he's viewed as the missing piece - and I'm not sure that he's proven over a sustained period of time that he is at that level. I've always liked him as a player so I hope he is! Definitely a worry, if Nakamaba doesn't immediately play like prime Makelele then serious questions will be asked as to why he's persisting with this system if he doesn't have the personnel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og1874 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: What about 4-4-2 utilising Watkins,Ings and Bailey ? Coutinho left, Bailey right, no Buendia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Coutinho and Bailey need to play and Buendia can come off the bench to change things around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 read somewhere that Gerrard wants Bissouma AND Phillips guess that would change the whole dynamic of how we play .. long as it doesn't make us negative and dull to watch like Southgate's England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: read somewhere that Gerrard wants Bissouma AND Phillips guess that would change the whole dynamic of how we play .. long as it doesn't make us negative and dull to watch like Southgate's England Can we get duller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
og1874 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: read somewhere that Gerrard wants Bissouma AND Phillips guess that would change the whole dynamic of how we play .. long as it doesn't make us negative and dull to watch like Southgate's England That could effectively let us play a 4-2-4 to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 37 minutes ago, og1874 said: That could effectively let us play a 4-2-4 to be fair Or a 4231, with two holding mids and 3 attacking mids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 3 hours ago, duke313 said: Definitely a worry, if Nakamaba doesn't immediately play like prime Makelele then serious questions will be asked as to why he's persisting with this system if he doesn't have the personnel. And why he’s been persisting with the system during Marv’s abscence, when it was obvious he would be out 12-16 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 2 hours ago, maqroll said: I think Coutinho is important to use as a lure. Digne was a fluke who we wouldn't have been able to sign a week later. It's names like Suarez that make my stomach uneasy. Unless the deal is cut rate, an expensive and declining Suarez would stymie Ollie/Ings and Archer. It's starting to feel like we need a clean slate in terms of strikers. I go back and forth between wanting to keep Ollie but his all round game is irritating me that much lately that I'd kind of like to see him gone. Sell Ings as well as if he can't get a start now, what is the point? I like him, but he needs a proper run which it looks like he's not gonna get. So, Ings and Watkins sold. Archer and Davis back as backups, Wesley back as our main number 9. But seriously, sign a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 57 minutes ago, Tom13 said: It's starting to feel like we need a clean slate in terms of strikers. I go back and forth between wanting to keep Ollie but his all round game is irritating me that much lately that I'd kind of like to see him gone. Sell Ings as well as if he can't get a start now, what is the point? I like him, but he needs a proper run which it looks like he's not gonna get. So, Ings and Watkins sold. Archer and Davis back as backups, Wesley back as our main number 9. But seriously, sign a new one. I'm not sure Davis will want to stay as a bench option again. He's having a ball at Forest. We need an explosive and athletic striker. As much as I like Watkins and Ings, they probably aren't the guys we need to advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 10 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Of those players, we only needed Chambers. Yeah we should have played Ghazi into form on the left until Bailey came round form his months out. I actually can’t believe people have a problem with the coutinho signing, it amazes me. Digne was an opportunity to sign a quality left back, unfair on target maybe but he was a shell of himself last season, there’s no debating it. Digne hasn’t impressed me much but at the time I agreed with the signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 7 hours ago, maqroll said: We need an explosive and athletic striker. That would at least rule out Suarez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: That would at least rule out Suarez. Unless you add an o to Athletic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, sne said: Unless you add an o to Athletic And remove the h 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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