bobzy Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 16 hours ago, Genie said: Has anyone seen the new offside rule? The attacking player must be fully beyond the defender to be offside. Does anyone know if the PL are applying this? Feels like (another) horrible rule change. I'm not entirely sure what the solution is, but it isn't this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 minute ago, bobzy said: Feels like (another) horrible rule change. I'm not entirely sure what the solution is, but it isn't this. I feel for the many defenders who are going to look really stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Just now, Genie said: I feel for the many defenders who are going to look really stupid Well, it just (theoretically) changes the game from teams playing a high line to teams playing really deep. Purely to negate attackers being generally quicker. You won't be able to gain the slight advantage from stepping up in an organised way as you'd need to move too much (again, theoretically) in a tiny time frame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 5 hours ago, bobzy said: Feels like (another) horrible rule change. I'm not entirely sure what the solution is, but it isn't this. Surely back in the day when there had to be 'daylight' between attacker and defender to be offside it was the same as this? I much prefer it this way where as long as you have something in line with the defender you are onside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 13 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: Surely back in the day when there had to be 'daylight' between attacker and defender to be offside it was the same as this? I much prefer it this way where as long as you have something in line with the defender you are onside. Doesn't mean that's better than currently. Having thought about it a little bit, I think I'd like to see offside purely based on feet position so attackers can still get the benefit of making a great run and not being penalised by having their shoulders offside, but equally they can't be significantly ahead of the defender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 46 minutes ago, bobzy said: Doesn't mean that's better than currently. Having thought about it a little bit, I think I'd like to see offside purely based on feet position so attackers can still get the benefit of making a great run and not being penalised by having their shoulders offside, but equally they can't be significantly ahead of the defender. That’s my idea too, forget about the rest of the body, base it on the foot. I think the new rule is going to look ridiculous in reality and will probably get quickly retracted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Genie said: That’s my idea too, forget about the rest of the body, base it on the foot. I think the new rule is going to look ridiculous in reality and will probably get quickly retracted. The example they show that it is now a pube offside even looks ridiculous. There's a whole extra person width of daylight there that could now be onside. You'd have thought someone would look at that and go "Hmm, not sure about this actually." Edited July 5, 2023 by fightoffyour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2023 Offside is a rule that was designed for human eye instant judgements, as such it essentially has inbuilt margins and boils down to a 'spirit of' type of rule rather than one that today the game wants to make hard and fast with clear delineations rather than vagaries. The more you try to make it an unquestionable matter of fact the more the rule gets ****. The current situation, where we're **** around with lines forever using technology that cannot deliver a level of accuracy they imply it does, where someone can be called offside for an imperceptible breaking of the line that in reality makes no difference to anything, is ridiculous. Equally having someone be considered 'onside' when their leading leg could be 6 foot ahead of the defender is absurd. The rule isn't designed for this kind of thing. You can't create a definition without vagary based on a rule that essentially boiled down to the lineman's judgement, based on human reaction speed and the eyes ability to perceive things, of 'looks offside to me'. This new interpretation will only serve to piss more people off because everyone and his dog who has watched football in their lifetime would look at the example given and say 'offside'. And that isn't what pissed people off about offside, it was the really blatant examples of bad decisions. Now the rule has been changed so that really blatant bad calls are now fine, and the only way to be offside is to be so egregiously offside the blind would give it. Stop **** with it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 Is the offside rule change official? I have seen it a lot on social media but not seen any official confirmation (havent looked for it either tbf). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted July 9, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 9, 2023 New offside rule will lead to loads of low block games as teams drop defenders mega deep to avoid being stuffed. As a result, 6 out of 10 games will be 0-0 draws, 2 out of 10 will be teams winning 12 - 10, and 2 games will be normal. This is a terrible idea. Although it probably is bad for Man City, given the way they play, so maybe we'll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) Mike Dean has quit as VAR-ref and left PGMOL. I for one will not miss him. Saudi next? Edited July 15, 2023 by sne 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 13 hours ago, sne said: Mike Dean has quit as VAR-ref and left PGMOL. I for one will not miss him. Saudi next? He'd still be out of his depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tomaszk Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Absolutely **** BS. They cheat as it is and give top sides every 70/30 decision anyway. This will be abused to a horrible degree. Record time added when Liverpool are losing, or three and a half mins if Luton are 2-1 down at home to Spurs pushing for an equaliser. Clubs need to watch this like a hawk because it will be abused from week 1. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2023 Just do a stopped clock ffs 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: Just do a stopped clock ffs This, it’s the most transparent way for everyone to know where the game is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 55 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: Just do a stopped clock ffs They can't cheat it then. They can get two+ years of straight up cheating out of this so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Nah, football is still largely about momentum and teams using gamesmanship to stop it, they have to stop it, faking injuries, goalkeepers taking the piss etc etc stopped clock won't do it, not sure 10 mins of injury time every half will either What they need to do is stop diving and faking injuries, you get treatment you sit out for 2 minutes or something like that Definitely need to stop this bullshit where a player goes down injured, comes off, goes back on then sits down again... Because the sub isn't ready Refs have rules and the ability to stop some of this stuff already but they don't have the balls or the common sense to do so Player goes down a yard from the touch line, don't stop the game, literally roll him over once and play on... They'll never ever do it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 11 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Absolutely **** BS. They cheat as it is and give top sides every 70/30 decision anyway. This will be abused to a horrible degree. Record time added when Liverpool are losing, or three and a half mins if Luton are 2-1 down at home to Spurs pushing for an equaliser. Clubs need to watch this like a hawk because it will be abused from week 1. Isnt it already a yellow card for a lengthy or over-celebration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted July 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2023 2 hours ago, villa4europe said: Nah, football is still largely about momentum and teams using gamesmanship to stop it, they have to stop it, faking injuries, goalkeepers taking the piss etc etc stopped clock won't do it, not sure 10 mins of injury time every half will either What they need to do is stop diving and faking injuries, you get treatment you sit out for 2 minutes or something like that Definitely need to stop this bullshit where a player goes down injured, comes off, goes back on then sits down again... Because the sub isn't ready Refs have rules and the ability to stop some of this stuff already but they don't have the balls or the common sense to do so Player goes down a yard from the touch line, don't stop the game, literally roll him over once and play on... They'll never ever do it Disagree I think it would stop most of it. Not for momentum halting reasons but I don’t think that’s the reason for most time wasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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