StefanAVFC Posted Sunday at 16:59 Author VT Supporter Share Posted Sunday at 16:59 With VAR simply put they’ve decided nothing subjective will be overturned. Only factual decisions which makes the entire thing pointless as the on field ref makes the decision. They’re not using it as a helpful tool to support that onfield ref. It’s purely to correct their objective mistakes. Therefore absolutely not fit for purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Monday at 08:40 Share Posted Monday at 08:40 16 hours ago, jacketspuds said: I don’t understand how a challenge can be checked for a red card, but then only result in a red card or back to the refs original decision. That tackle on Philogene today was a clear yellow at least, but VAR checked it for a red card, didn’t think it warranted it, but was then unable to ask the ref to go to the screen to double check his original shit decision of no yellow. If they reviewed every single yellow card decision, you'd basically be re-refereeing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted Monday at 08:48 Share Posted Monday at 08:48 (edited) 19 minutes ago, bobzy said: If they reviewed every single yellow card decision, you'd basically be re-refereeing the game. Yeah I get that But at the same time it is weird that they can review dangerous play and red card offences and they can say yes or no to the red card but they can't say it's not a red card it's only a yellow Was Ollie's elbow reviewed yesterday? Same there, they can review it, they can say no it's not a red but they can't say give a yellow It doesn't make a lot of sense edit - i dont think they can give a free kick following a red card review either example that if its a corner, ball comes in, goes out for another corner, VAR spots some arms swinging by an attacker, red card review, no red card its not that bad - the result from that review would be the other corner, it wouldn't be no red card but its still a foul free kick to the defending team and that does diminish the point of an already failing system Edited Monday at 08:52 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Monday at 09:00 Share Posted Monday at 09:00 10 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Yeah I get that But at the same time it is weird that they can review dangerous play and red card offences and they can say yes or no to the red card but they can't say it's not a red card it's only a yellow Was Ollie's elbow reviewed yesterday? Same there, they can review it, they can say no it's not a red but they can't say give a yellow It doesn't make a lot of sense edit - i dont think they can give a free kick following a red card review either example that if its a corner, ball comes in, goes out for another corner, VAR spots some arms swinging by an attacker, red card review, no red card its not that bad - the result from that review would be the other corner, it wouldn't be no red card but its still a foul free kick to the defending team and that does diminish the point of an already failing system No, because if he then got sent off for another yellow card and they haven't reviewed a possible yellow card from, say, Morsy (lol) then the system is entirely unfair. Whereas a red card offence (1 card) is a one-off event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted Monday at 10:12 Share Posted Monday at 10:12 1 hour ago, bobzy said: No, because if he then got sent off for another yellow card and they haven't reviewed a possible yellow card from, say, Morsy (lol) then the system is entirely unfair. Whereas a red card offence (1 card) is a one-off event. but what you're doing is reviewing something and still getting a wrong answer I'll give another example, a tackle in the penalty area, on field ref says no penalty and a goal kick, VAR reviews it and agrees its no penalty because the defender kicked the ball, the result of the play is a goal kick because VAR can say no penalty but it cant correct the goal kick / corner mistake it undermines the whole thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted Monday at 10:21 Share Posted Monday at 10:21 8 minutes ago, villa4europe said: but what you're doing is reviewing something and still getting a wrong answer I'll give another example, a tackle in the penalty area, on field ref says no penalty and a goal kick, VAR reviews it and agrees its no penalty because the defender kicked the ball, the result of the play is a goal kick because VAR can say no penalty but it cant correct the goal kick / corner mistake it undermines the whole thing I think in that example, it makes sense and would be fine to restart with a corner assuming play has stopped at the "goal kick" to review a penalty. It makes sense to go for a corner. I just can't see how yellow cards would ever work, though, other than re-refereeing the entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted Monday at 14:28 Author VT Supporter Share Posted Monday at 14:28 They aren't allowed to overturn subjective red card decisions, so they'll never overturn subjective yellow cards either. Scrap it and only review offsides. Even handballs they don't really review anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted Tuesday at 17:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:08 Fernandes red card has been rescinded. We know what's happening on Sunday in the 90th minute don't we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Tuesday at 17:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:14 5 minutes ago, Avfc96 said: Fernandes red card has been rescinded. We know what's happening on Sunday in the 90th minute don't we? Duran headbutts him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted Tuesday at 17:15 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:15 Just now, Zatman said: Duran headbutts him We can hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted Tuesday at 17:21 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:21 6 minutes ago, Zatman said: Duran headbutts him Sounds like as long as he's slipping as he does it hes ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted Wednesday at 09:32 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:32 They don't show when the ball leaves the players foot now either for offsides, just the lines. Have they realised it's far from a accurate call when the camera frames are incorrect and the picture of the ball and players foot is blurred anyway. In reality, a toe offside could never be called when your looking at a blurred still of the ball leaving a foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted Wednesday at 20:00 Share Posted Wednesday at 20:00 That first half v Petrescu is easily worse than anything I've seen from a prem ref. Most of the european refs in the CL are just as bad as what we see week in week out domestically. How can he just wave away the first Upamecano foul on Watkins? Then Kane just scissors Konsa and gets a polite word not to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted Wednesday at 21:17 Share Posted Wednesday at 21:17 Taking away from the two awful decisions I think it does open up an interesting conversation about how far out from goal you need to be for it to be considered denying a goalscoring opportunity Personally both are yellows, he's too far out But I don't know if there is an actual measuring stick for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted Thursday at 09:10 Share Posted Thursday at 09:10 No attempt to win the ball - he plays the man and pushes into Ollie's chest to take him off balance. Ollie keeps his footing otherwise. It's a foul and a booking. Upamecano got booked for less minutes later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Thursday at 09:12 Share Posted Thursday at 09:12 1 minute ago, The_Steve said: No attempt to win the ball - he plays the man and pushes into Ollie's chest to take him off balance. Ollie keeps his footing otherwise. It's a foul and a booking. Upamecano got booked for less minutes later. Ollie clips his own legs and gets tangled with Upamecano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted Thursday at 09:13 Share Posted Thursday at 09:13 Ref realised he’d have to send him off if he gave that foul and his bollocks shrinked. So no foul at all, easier choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted Thursday at 09:20 Share Posted Thursday at 09:20 7 minutes ago, Zatman said: Ollie clips his own legs and gets tangled with Upamecano Because he pushes Ollie first 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted Thursday at 09:23 Share Posted Thursday at 09:23 Both of those situations would likely had been red cards if it was Carlos tripping Kane. That's the infuriating part of football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted Thursday at 10:04 VT Supporter Share Posted Thursday at 10:04 I actually think the yellow for the foul on Ollie that the ref actually gave was right. I didn't at the time, but looking at it again I think the other defender was covering. I still think the first one was worse, and was the one that was deserving of a red card. And he didn't even give a foul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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