StefanAVFC Posted December 22, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 22, 2023 28 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: They really, really need to clear up what a 'phase' is. More ambiguous terminology. They had possession for a few touches and then tried a pass which failed. To me that's the end of the phase as soon as we win it back, maybe I just don't understand. It even 2 new phases to be honest. 1st phase is the corner, foul, digne shot 2nd phase is when they have the ball under control. Baldock is passed the ball under no pressure and dribbles what, 5-7m under no pressure 3rd phase is when Watkins wins the ball back and passes to Bailey it’s not even close and somehow we’ve ended up with our goal disallowed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) The disallowed goal was ridiculous, pur the blatant 2 handed push on Watkins was worse. Awful decisions. And as a fan in the ground, we had zero idea what was going on. It seemed first half you could foul as much as you wanted, then second half first foul we did, we got booked Edited December 22, 2023 by mikeyp102 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Handball even worse than walkins if u ask me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, HeyAnty said: Handball even worse than walkins if u ask me Shocking. The ref even gestured after the VAR check that it was shoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Baldock decision is one of the worst I have seen. He swings his arm at the ball with no pressure from one of our players Disallowed goal is a Sheffield United player pushing Ramsey into the keeper One of the worst ref performances ever, smells like Korea in 2002 World Cup. If Anthony Taylor is the best English referee then English football is in a terrible state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 23, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2023 This is objectively a new phase of play. VAR cannot rule on previous phases of play for goals - “The VAR may not go back to when the attacking team gained possession” So apology tomorrow thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Also the international highlights showed none of these bad decisons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted December 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Zatman said: Also the international highlights showed none of these bad decisons Barely got a mention on Sky in the UK either. The interviewer of Emery post match kept poking at him about it trying to get an Arteta like response but as always Unai remained dignified. One call against us happens - but the fact there are 3 or 4 obvious ones that they got wrong is despicable. Certainly felt like a bit of an agenda. I felt certain they’d rule out the Zaniolo goal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Neville "Watkins was backing in to the defender" **** clown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 23, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2023 Still absolutely fuming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, villan95 said: Should be a goal At the freeze frame the defender is about to make a pass (clearance) isn’t he, and it doesn’t complete as it’s tackled, then villa “score”. The rule being quoted seems to support the fact that they were not in control, the attack hadn’t ended and VAR was right to pull the play back. The ball is also still in/around the penalty area. Similar with the “handball”, it’s clearly above the t-shirt line which defines whether it’s a handball or not. Edited December 23, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 The Watkins push is the only borderline one, and he did really over egg the reaction which went against him. There won’t be an apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Genie said: At the freeze frame the defender is about to make a pass (clearance) isn’t he, and it doesn’t complete as it’s intercepted, then villa “score”. The rule being quoted seems to support the fact that they were not in control, the attack hadn’t ended and VAR was right to pull the play back. Similar with the “handball”, it’s clearly above the t-shirt line which defines whether it’s a handball or not. I feel that is the defenders fault though for making a poor pass as he did have a fair bit of time on the ball. With the handball I think it is a pen because it even touches the skin of his arm as shown better here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 23, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Genie said: At the freeze frame the defender is about to make a pass (clearance) isn’t he, and it doesn’t complete as it’s tackled, then villa “score”. The rule being quoted seems to support the fact that they were not in control, the attack hadn’t ended and VAR was right to pull the play back. The ball is also still in/around the penalty area. Similar with the “handball”, it’s clearly above the t-shirt line which defines whether it’s a handball or not. No he runs forward about another 5-7m completely uncontested and under no pressure. If he makes that pass SU have a very good chance to counter, and he completely **** it up. also before this screenshot, his teammate, again under no pressure, passed the ball to him its a new phase of play under any interpretation and easily via the eye test 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Genie said: At the freeze frame the defender is about to make a pass (clearance) isn’t he, and it doesn’t complete as it’s tackled, then villa “score”. The rule being quoted seems to support the fact that they were not in control, the attack hadn’t ended and VAR was right to pull the play back. The ball is also still in/around the penalty area. Similar with the “handball”, it’s clearly above the t-shirt line which defines whether it’s a handball or not. It's not above the shirt line, as you can clearly see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 I thought the shirtline wasn't the rule anymore after man city had a shirt with a longer sleeve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: No he runs forward about another 5-7m completely uncontested and under no pressure. If he makes that pass SU have a very good chance to counter, and he completely **** it up. also before this screenshot, his teammate, again under no pressure, passed the ball to him its a new phase of play under any interpretation and easily via the eye test The rules disagree with your view, it clearly says that if the ball is still in / around the penalty area then the attacking phase has not ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I thought the shirtline wasn't the rule anymore after man city had a shirt with a longer sleeve Now it’s armpit line. From the still it’s not clear if it’s hit arm or shoulder area. The ball is pretty big and hits a big area of the body. From images like this it’s not clear that it’s entirely below the armpit line. It looks like upper arm, armpit and a bit of chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 23, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Genie said: The rules disagree with your view, it clearly says that if the ball is still in / around the penalty area then the attacking phase has not ended. Can you quote the rules on that please? Direct link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 23, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2023 Also the ‘shirt line’ nonsense doesn’t really count when he full on volleyball style batted it away. Anyone with eyes can see it’s hit his arm, arm to ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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