villa4europe Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 Punched "rashford dive" in to YouTube to see if it was on there yet, saw it and it's shocking.... As bad as the one he did vs Southampton and the one he did vs Swansea It will never change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 After the penatly that wasn't awarded to Wolves in the first match and now this. What a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: After the penatly that wasn't awarded to Wolves in the first match and now this. What a joke! 2x 1 goal wins due to extremely favourable refereeing decisions. You still know that soon as a 50:50 goes against them ETH will be ranting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted August 26, 2023 Share Posted August 26, 2023 I'm not sure why we are all shocked, with the Saudis looking to buy them, they can't be seen to be shite. The FA will do anything for a few oily envelops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Watching Newcastle v Liverpool - the ref didn't give Alexander-Arnold a yellow because it would have been his second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 21 hours ago, villa4europe said: Punched "rashford dive" in to YouTube to see if it was on there yet, saw it and it's shocking.... As bad as the one he did vs Southampton and the one he did vs Swansea It will never change FWIW, I don’t think it’s actually THAT bad (having now watched the highlights) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, villan95 said: Watching Newcastle v Liverpool - the ref didn't give Alexander-Arnold a yellow because it would have been his second The first yellow was cobblers. In fairness the second incident was barely a foul let alone a yellow. You have to wonder if a few brown envelopes stuffed with Saudi dollars have been passed around at PGMOL???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, jimmygreaves said: The first yellow was cobblers. In fairness the second incident was barely a foul let alone a yellow. You have to wonder if a few brown envelopes stuffed with Saudi dollars have been passed around at PGMOL???? To be fair I agree they're soft but if that's the rules we're playing to.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted August 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, bobzy said: FWIW, I don’t think it’s actually THAT bad (having now watched the highlights) Its one of those for me where there's a huge disconnect between playing football and watching football Rashford is obviously a better footballer than me, he's more athletic, he's bigger he's stronger... Yet if I do that down the leisure centre during a weekly kick about with mates or Sunday league* down the park I'm getting ridiculed, I'm getting laughed at and told to pack it in, you'd be embarrassed to do it So why is an elite athlete at the very top level falling over in that fashion and getting rewarded for it? It's not the game we play and the PL is worse for it not better I dread to think this shite is now starting at kids park level * kiddy Sunday league you'd be lucky if you were only laughed at... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, villa4europe said: Its one of those for me where there's a huge disconnect between playing football and watching football Rashford is obviously a better footballer than me, he's more athletic, he's bigger he's stronger... Yet if I do that down the leisure centre during a weekly kick about with mates or Sunday league* down the park I'm getting ridiculed, I'm getting laughed at and told to pack it in, you'd be embarrassed to do it So why is an elite athlete at the very top level falling over in that fashion and getting rewarded for it? It's not the game we play and the PL is worse for it not better I dread to think this shite is now starting at kids park level * kiddy Sunday league you'd be lucky if you were only laughed at... It’s a fine line and depends what you want to see given as a foul. I think there’s an absolute argument that he’s impeded because the defender catches his knee/thigh. Nowhere near enough to make him fall so theatrically, but probably enough to make his balance get thrown off in a good position. So do you give a foul for being impeded or do you have to have enough force to take someone to ground? FWIW, I’m not saying it’s a clear penalty at all but it’s also not a “proper” dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: It’s a fine line and depends what you want to see given as a foul. I think there’s an absolute argument that he’s impeded because the defender catches his knee/thigh. Nowhere near enough to make him fall so theatrically, but probably enough to make his balance get thrown off in a good position. So do you give a foul for being impeded or do you have to have enough force to take someone to ground? FWIW, I’m not saying it’s a clear penalty at all but it’s also not a “proper” dive. FWIW this is why at the start of the thread I said I didn't want VAR... There's no 100% set in stone "right" answer to it, for me there's a degree of tolerance given the pace of the game and the view of the ref, VAR effectively removes that tolerance but doesn't change the subjectivity of the incident so they've made a huge rod for their own back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, villa4europe said: FWIW this is why at the start of the thread I said I didn't want VAR... There's no 100% set in stone "right" answer to it, for me there's a degree of tolerance given the pace of the game and the view of the ref, VAR effectively removes that tolerance but doesn't change the subjectivity of the incident so they've made a huge rod for their own back This was given but not overturned, so presumably working as you’d want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 20 hours ago, Genie said: 2x 1 goal wins due to extremely favourable refereeing decisions. You still know that soon as a 50:50 goes against them ETH will be ranting He was already moaning about the amount of stoppage time. Plenty of flaws in this Man. United team so regardless of decisions it's going to be a difficult season up to January for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, bobzy said: This was given but not overturned, so presumably working as you’d want? If it was given real time from the refs angle I wouldn't agree with it but I'd understand why it was given With VAR I don't agree with it and I don't understand why it was given They've got it wrong twice in my opinion and that makes it beyond frustrating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Albrighton Posted August 27, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2023 As has been said many times before, in the case of the Rashford one, I don’t believe Forest go down the other end and get a penalty for the same challenge. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 27, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2023 https://x.com/johnclarkeffc/status/1695790021129765237?s=46&t=eM_ttHDujCh9jtbkjgfUTA arsenal home crowd annoyed at losing and ref bows to pressure despite not knowing the rules its a joke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Looking forward to seeing what klopp says but for me they VVD red is so clear it’s ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobsons Choice Posted August 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2023 5 hours ago, villan95 said: To be fair I agree they're soft but if that's the rules we're playing to.. This is the problem though. Consistency. Different incident, but there was a challenge in the box involving 20x more force on the defender in the Brighton v West Hame game, than the Man U game, and it was play on. Rashford dives after a gust of wind touches him- Pen Point is, there is no consistency, at all in refereeing atm. Honestly they need to be accountable for this shit they serve on a weekly basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted August 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: https://x.com/johnclarkeffc/status/1695790021129765237?s=46&t=eM_ttHDujCh9jtbkjgfUTA arsenal home crowd annoyed at losing and ref bows to pressure despite not knowing the rules its a joke To my mind, if all that is indeed the case, that player’s suspension now gets overturned (**** the fact it’s two yellows, it should be overturned*) and the ref should miss next week’s fixture while he re-reads the section on goal kicks. *I’m of a mindset that if a player receives two yellows, if there are concerns over either the first or second, the folk in the VAR room should raise it with the ref and he checks to see if the player should only be on one. Now whether the people reviewing it would know about this goal kick incident, could be debatable. But if their lack of knowledge and understanding of the rules HAS to impact this game, there’s no reason why the suspension should be upheld and impact the next game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted August 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Nicho said: Looking forward to seeing what klopp says but for me they VVD red is so clear it’s ridiculous I agree - but I know it will be overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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