YouUnastanFren Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 If nothing else hopefully this will be the last we see/hear of Michael **** Masi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 To be fair there has always been a fair bit of corruption in F1, back to the days of Prost and Senna, anyone seen the film Senna. Also Schumacher always got way with murder, Max Moseley was a bit dodge and everyone knows Bernie Ecclestone has his own way of running the sport. Nothing to see here................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted December 12, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2021 Managed to avoid the result all day. Just watched the race. Congratulations to Max. A fantastic talent, I’ve criticised him heavily at times this season (and I stand by them), but he is a very very quick driver. That being said, it’s a real shame the championship ended like that. For all the moaning Max fans do about the stewards being against Max, the stewards have absolutely gifted him the title at the end there. It made no sense to me at the time and the more I’ve seen afterwards just makes it more and more baffling. Oh and FWIW I think Lewis should have had to give the lead back on the first lap. Not sure he’d have stayed behind for long though so don’t think it would have made too much difference 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: If they wanted to ignore the rules in the name of entertainment they should have red flagged a few laps earlier and then we'd have had a straight shoot out on new softs. I think it would have been the fairest way given the circumstances, championship on the line etc. Strictly speaking though he should have got all the lapped cars out of the way at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: That being said, it’s a real shame the championship ended like that. For all the moaning Max fans do about the stewards being against Max, the stewards have absolutely gifted him the title at the end there. It made no sense to me at the time and the more I’ve seen afterwards just makes it more and more baffling. I don't think for one second Masi wanted to gift it to Max but probably panicked and tried to get the race finished not under the safety car and made a real dumb decision. If Masi stays in post I would be worked on the Red Bull team as he is bound to try and even it up at some point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Feels like cutting my nose off to spite my face, but I'm done with F1. I've spent many hours watching every quali and race, £100s going to Silverstone only to see it all wasted by that disgrace. Considering the highly questionable morals of the sport (in every regard), it is no surprise to see the result contrived. Highly disappointing, no more time wasted on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Surely Mercedes won't give this up, they haven't followed the rules and have literally gifted the championship to Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Dodgy that Horner asked/told Masi over the radio they need 1 more lap, an got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted December 12, 2021 If people find a post offensive, should they... a) report the post to the moderators or b) keep quoting it, repeating what offended you and causing even more work for the people you should have reported it to in the first place? Clue: the answer isn't b) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, mykeyb said: I don't think for one second Masi wanted to gift it to Max but probably panicked and tried to get the race finished not under the safety car and made a real dumb decision. If Masi stays in post I would be worked on the Red Bull team as he is bound to try and even it up at some point. Oh I don’t think he did it to deliberately give Max the title. But his actions effectively did hand him the title. He basically did everything possible to hand it to Max short of black flagging Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Dodgy that Horner asked/told Masi over the radio they need 1 more lap, an got it. Trump called the Secretaty of State for Georgia. "What I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than [the 11,779 vote margin of defeat] we have, because we won the state". Striking similarities with Horner & Masi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Dodgy that Horner asked/told Masi over the radio they need 1 more lap, an got it. Toto called earlier in the race and asked him not to bring out the safety car and Masi didn't..........don't think either affected Masi's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 If Masi gets his action together he tells all the cars to unlap themselves, the race restarts, Max goes past Lewis and that’s that. I imagine thats the way the FIA will argue it, it was a mess, but the result would have been the same if he’d have called for all unlapped cars to unlap themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Surely Mercedes won't give this up, they haven't followed the rules and have literally gifted the championship to Max. They have already lodged an appeal. I cannot see it getting further than the one today. I hope they put all their efforts into it to be honest, the more time they spend on this the less effort they can put in to prep for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Genie said: If Masi gets his action together he tells all the cars to unlap themselves, the race restarts, Max goes past Lewis and that’s that. I imagine thats the way the FIA will argue it, it was a mess, but the result would have been the same if he’d have called for all unlapped cars to unlap themselves. Would have took another lap for all the cars to unlap themselves. The last lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, mykeyb said: They have already lodged an appeal. I cannot see it getting further than the one today. I hope they put all their efforts into it to be honest, the more time they spend on this the less effort they can put in to prep for next season. I can't imagine the legal team has much of a role to play in preparing for the new season tbh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, Davkaus said: I can't imagine the legal team has much of a role to play in preparing for the new season tbh Oh I think Toto will have his hands all over this, don't you? It's more of a joke as they hand out the awards on Thursday so would imagine it will be resolved by then, unless Red Bull feel they need to appeal themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Would have took another lap for all the cars to unlap themselves. The last lap. Fair enough. I was listening on the radio, I couldn’t see the state of the track but I’d have thought if he really wanted to they could have released the lapped cars earlier and got them through the damage area under double yellow flags or something. Edit: weren’t the cars all in a long snake by that point? Wouldn’t it have just taken a few seconds for the cars further back to pull out of the queue and speed past the safety car? Edited December 12, 2021 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted December 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted December 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, Genie said: Fair enough. I was listening on the radio, I couldn’t see the state of the track but I’d have thought if he really wanted to they could have released the lapped cars earlier and got them through the damage area under double yellow flags or something. Edit: weren’t the cars all in a long snake by that point? Wouldn’t it have just taken a few seconds for the cars further back to pull out of the queue and speed past the safety car? The safety car would have had to do another lap and the race would have finished , as it has historically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, tinker said: The safety car would have had to do another lap and the race would have finished , as it has historically. Copycat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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