PieFacE Posted July 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, useless said: He might not have a future with us, it looks as though he's not in Gerrard's plans, but that's not why he's training with the 'U23s', he's training with the U21s because if he wasn't he would be at Bodymoor Heath training by himself, I'm sure next week when the first team return to Bodymoor Heath then Tra will be back training with them even if ultimately he's not in our plans. Also as I've just said, we wouldn't put first team players in our U21s as a punishment or use the U21s as some sort of 'bomb squad', our academy is too important for that. Or he could be with the rest of the team that played Fulham today? If he's in with the U23's and not with either first team squad he's in the bomb squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I think they and the rest of the senior players deserve the courtesy of training with the rest of the squad. I'm not sure it makes it any more likely a club will come in for Traore, if we are looking to get rid. Targett got pelters for trying to get away at the first opportunity PL football came up but if this is what happens if you're not fancied by the manager then he did well to move when he did. Who knows what's being said behind scenes. Gerrard could've called Traore in first week back and said it was nothing personal but he had no future here so could well be frustrated he dosen't seem interested in going to play somewhere week in week out and is making life a bit more difficult. Plenty of clubs would take him on loan I'm sure although would need us paying a good chunk of wages. Would be amusing if he ended up at Everton but assume they won't be calling us again after AEG last season which was a waste of time for all parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, useless said: He might not have a future with us, it looks as though he's not in Gerrard's plans, but that's not why he's training with the 'U23s', he's training with the U21s because if he wasn't he would be at Bodymoor Heath training by himself, I'm sure next week when the first team return to Bodymoor Heath then Tra will be back training with them even if ultimately he's not in our plans. Also as I've just said, we wouldn't put first team players in our U21s as a punishment or use the U21s as some sort of 'bomb squad', our academy is too important for that. Or the alternative is he's in France training with our actual core of 21-22 players who are in the managers plans. Unless he's been injured again and needs light training against some of our kids but I doubt that's the case this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 If he hasn't been sold or loaned out by the end of the transfer window, I'm sure he will be named as part of our first team squad, and will be available as an option. Yes it's likely that we will listen to offers for him, but people reading too much into an Ashley Preece tweet, someone who has proven time and time again that he just guesses at what's going on, 'being banished from the first team to train with the U23s' makes it sound like Traore is being punished or he's being disrespected, when truth is he's probably just training with the U21s until the first team return from France, yes I'm sure he would have liked to have gone to France, but that he hasn't isn't him being disrespected or punished, or banished. I wouldn't be surprised if all the players that haven't gone to France are training with the U21s, our academy and first team are closely aligned so it really wouldn't be a surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Another damp squib Imo......another, ill thought through acquisition and OTT fee. We will do well, to sell him for any respectable fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Absolutely no idea why we signed this guy, made no sense based on a the type of signing we were making at the time. It feels very much like someone took a back hander to get the deal over the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 13 hours ago, useless said: If he hasn't been sold or loaned out by the end of the transfer window, I'm sure he will be named as part of our first team squad, and will be available as an option. Yes it's likely that we will listen to offers for him, but people reading too much into an Ashley Preece tweet, someone who has proven time and time again that he just guesses at what's going on, 'being banished from the first team to train with the U23s' makes it sound like Traore is being punished or he's being disrespected, when truth is he's probably just training with the U21s until the first team return from France, yes I'm sure he would have liked to have gone to France, but that he hasn't isn't him being disrespected or punished, or banished. I wouldn't be surprised if all the players that haven't gone to France are training with the U21s, our academy and first team are closely aligned so it really wouldn't be a surprise. I don't need Ashley Preece to tell me , he is not good enough for where we are going.....maybe he has put 2 and 2 together, but he has come up with 4 He is non descript, and just showes flashes of talent.....he is not an effective player by any stretch of the imagination....He is easily negated and then goes in to passenger mode. Not good enough, for us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted July 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2022 1 hour ago, TRO said: I don't need Ashley Preece to tell me , he is not good enough for where we are going.....maybe he has put 2 and 2 together, but he has come up with 4 He is non descript, and just showes flashes of talent.....he is not an effective player by any stretch of the imagination....He is easily negated and then goes in to passenger mode. Not good enough, for us. Not good enough to finish 14th? We finished 11th and 10 points better with him starting 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post a-k Posted August 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2022 The fact he is a bit of a maverick is exactly the reason why we should keep and use him. Plan A not working? Throw him on because the opponent probably doesn't know what he's going to do either. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvilla28 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Spot on has more talent then half the squad , we got to get the best out of him consistency wise to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share Posted August 1, 2022 13 hours ago, a-k said: The fact he is a bit of a maverick is exactly the reason why we should keep and use him. Plan A not working? Throw him on because the opponent probably doesn't know what he's going to do either. Really? Losing the ball a lot and having zero strength or pace aren’t exactly great attributes if plan A isn’t working. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: Really? Losing the ball a lot and having zero strength or pace aren’t exactly great attributes if plan A isn’t working. Probably more he could rattle one in from edge of the box like he did v Man. United. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: Probably more he could rattle one in from edge of the box like he did v Man. United. Or Chelsea or West Brom or Bristol City 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Zatman said: Or Chelsea or West Brom or Bristol City Chelsea was a close range back post finish....or was that El Ghazi? In last 10 minutes of games it's usual to have a player who can get shots in from 20-25 yards that can hit target when defences are camped in penalty area so I do think a fully fit and focused Traore could get us some late wins. Hopefully Bailey can do that as he hit a nice shot from outside the box v Norwich that Krul tipped onto the bar before the inevitable season ending injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: Chelsea was a close range back post finish....or was that El Ghazi? In last 10 minutes of games it's usual to have a player who can get shots in from 20-25 yards that can hit target when defences are camped in penalty area so I do think a fully fit and focused Traore could get us some late wins. Hopefully Bailey can do that as he hit a nice shot from outside the box v Norwich that Krul tipped onto the bar before the inevitable season ending injury. He smashed one in from the edge of the box at home. Maybe from a corner or free kick Newcastle goal as well was fantastic finiah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VillaChris Posted August 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: He smashed one in from the edge of the box at home. Maybe from a corner or free kick Newcastle goal as well was fantastic finiah He scored a decent amount in 20/21 so bemused by those saying he totally flopped even if his playing style is very frustrating to watch. Scored home and away v Man. United and also scored v Chelsea. 7/8 goals in about 30 games (and he didn't even start much up to December) is good value in my book for someone costing under 20m these days. Think most on here would be reasonably happy if Buendia or Bailey posted that this season. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 1, 2022 Author Share Posted August 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Zatman said: He smashed one in from the edge of the box at home. Maybe from a corner or free kick Newcastle goal as well was fantastic finiah Come on man, he scuffed that shot and somehow it went in. Pure fluke. The goal against United wasn’t though, that was superb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Come on man, he scuffed that shot and somehow it went in. Pure fluke. The goal against United wasn’t though, that was superb. If you think that he has scuffed that shot then you are either thinking of another goal or your dislike of Traore is just completely and totallly irrational. He clearly wanted to put it in that part of the goal. He got a bit lucky that it went in off the bar but he definitely didn't scuff it. I've timestamped it for you so that you don't have to suffer through the rest of the video. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mole86 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 He was obviously referring to the Chelsea goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Isn't a Gerrard type player and no doubt will be sent out on loan to some club with us subbing some of his wages. A casualty of regime change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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