duke313 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Ouchmefoot said: The Manchester Evening News is about as creditable as the Birmingham Mail. It's all 'reportedly', 'a source close to the club' etc True. We'll have to wait and see once it's confirmed. But looking at similar deals City have done like Lavia and Porro, they ALWAYS include a sell on, that's the whole reason they sell these players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 16 minutes ago, Mr_Dogg said: Surely a sell on clause exists as long as the player is at your club? Otherwise you would have to buy it out? Simply offering a new contract could not simply cancel it. The sell on clause would be in the contract between AVFC and MCFC not the contract between AVFC and Luiz. It doesn't matter if he signs a new contract with Villa. The contract for us to buy him from City still stands as would the clause unless AVFC and MCFC have agreed to remove it for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmix Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Again, 'market value' is nonsense and not based on any reliable solid framework. The value of a player is entirely based on what they mean to a club. Hence you hear the pundits on Sky Sports et al, say "[club] are interested in [player] and what to pay £20m, but [selling club] value him at [price]" The selling club set whatever price they value a player at (economically, potentially, sportingly, and even emotionally). Always. It's not some mysterious number plucked out of thin air and slapped on transfermarkt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Luiz's buy back clause expired about 2 years ago. Man City decided against taking it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 11 minutes ago, pintpotvilla said: Luiz's buy back clause expired about 2 years ago. Man City decided against taking it up Interesting, where have you seen this? If you don't mind me asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintpotvilla Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: Interesting, where have you seen this? If you don't mind me asking It was general news back then with fans panicking that City would trigger it but the decided not to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teale's 'tache Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, pintpotvilla said: It was general news back then with fans panicking that City would trigger it but the decided not to Oh okay, I think this is a separate clause people are worried about now, this is a sell-on rather than a buy-back. I'm always curious about these kinds of clauses if they have a time limit, why the sell-on doesn't have one but the buy-back does, and what would have happened if City used the buy-back. Would they get they have got the discount from the sell-on as well? Certainly, if we have to throw a chunk of cash at City for selling Luiz then the less the better, but surely that impacts how much profit we can book as well, so I guess it doesn't matter much either way, we'd still be after the best price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 28 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: Interesting, where have you seen this? If you don't mind me asking It was widely known/assumed that they had a buy back of £25m after one year which went up to £35m after two and then expired. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I'm not saying we're doing anything wrong, but if another club was doing all these deals, half the people on this forum would be fuming about it Several other clubs have done these deals and no ones complaining? It hasn’t just been us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 25 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25 Just now, Aston_Villan4 said: Several other clubs have done these deals and no ones complaining? It hasn’t just been us. Yeah because we're doing it. I bet if we weren't people would be up in arms about them. I don't mind, I'm doing exactly the same thing. I just think it's noticeable that as soon as your club starts doing something, most people are suddenly ok with it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I'm not saying we're doing anything wrong, but if another club was doing all these deals, half the people on this forum would be fuming about it Other clubs are doing it and have been doing it for years No-one said anything when we sold archer for 18m last season. Only difference this year is that we disrupted the top four so now its a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Other clubs are doing it and have been doing it for years No-one said anything when we sold archer for 18m last season. Only difference this year is that we disrupted the top four so now its a problem If we had finished 11th last season, nobody would care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 hours ago, nick76 said: I don’t think they’d say it to his face though The Spanish James Bond… I guess Ornstein is saying that on the assumption that the Douglas deal will go through? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MapleVilla Posted Tuesday at 17:02 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:02 3 hours ago, John said: I guess Ornstein is saying that on the assumption that the Douglas deal will go through? Plot twist. We only needed to sell Tim and Omari to be in good PSR standing. Luiz was a smoke screen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted Tuesday at 20:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:14 (edited) A toffee mate just sent me this … Edited Tuesday at 20:16 by thabucks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted Wednesday at 06:00 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 06:00 Article on an Italian site today specifically naming our transfers with Everton and Chelsea as shady inflated priced youngster deals to get round PSR. Safe to say it's not very subtle l, I hope it works and we don't get sanctioned for it as we will need to qualify for the CL again to maintain our momentum and stay within the FFP rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted Wednesday at 06:03 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:03 Just now, romavillan said: Article on an Italian site today specifically naming our transfers with Everton and Chelsea as shady inflated priced youngster deals to get round PSR. Safe to say it's not very subtle l, I hope it works and we don't get sanctioned for it as we will need to qualify for the CL again to maintain our momentum and stay within the FFP rules... Seriously, some Villa fans need to learn more about football. There is absolutely nothing wrong with us selling players to other clubs. The Premier League even approved the deals. David Ornstein even said we had to sell Luiz at less than we wanted because only club interested this month was Juve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted Wednesday at 06:08 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:08 3 minutes ago, romavillan said: Article on an Italian site today specifically naming our transfers with Everton and Chelsea as shady inflated priced youngster deals to get round PSR. Safe to say it's not very subtle l, I hope it works and we don't get sanctioned for it as we will need to qualify for the CL again to maintain our momentum and stay within the FFP rules... The deals themselves are not shady at all and are perfectly within the rules. For there to be any sanctions, they would have to prove that the clubs colluded to engineer them artificially. Unless the PL has recordings of the conversations or emails explicitly agreeing to do so, then it's highly unlikely that there would be enough evidence to proceed with charges. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted Wednesday at 06:26 VT Supporter Share Posted Wednesday at 06:26 17 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: The deals themselves are not shady at all and are perfectly within the rules. For there to be any sanctions, they would have to prove that the clubs colluded to engineer them artificially. Unless the PL has recordings of the conversations or emails explicitly agreeing to do so, then it's highly unlikely that there would be enough evidence to proceed with charges. Would be a defence lawyers dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted Wednesday at 07:03 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:03 (edited) No chance anyone can do anything about the player sales , a player is worth what someone else will pay ,an independant valuation of players would be the only way to prevent it and that won't happen Edited Wednesday at 07:04 by mattyvilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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