Popular Post Teale's 'tache Posted June 24 Popular Post Share Posted June 24 10 hours ago, Mark Albrighton said: Is it the timing of the deals that are a sore point? Getting it done just in time to avoid sanctions? Are they unhappy about us selling Kellymam for £19m? Was it ok for Liverpool to sell Rhian no league appearances Brewster for £23m? Wasn’t Mount joining Man Utd a similar ffp thing, mainly for Chelsea? I’m not really a fan of all this, but I’m not quite following why some of the sky six are unhappy. I think a part of it is that they were expecting us to get sanctioned and now it appears we probably won't they are disappointed, the narrative has been this way pretty much since we had the accounts come out with a big loss for one year. They were expecting us to have to sell all of our big players, and even though we are selling one of our best, that isn't enough, they want us to sell everyone and still get a points deduction and they aren't happy that we've managed to avoid that in the main. £19m for Kellyman is maybe a little on the high side, but not enough for the vitriol it is causing, as you've mentioned big clubs sell talented kids for similar fees all the time, it's not out of the ordinary at all, but because of the above we are 'cooking the books' somehow. The Iroegbunam and Dobbin deals wouldn't have caused any fuss at all if PSR wasn't a thing, nothing wrong with those transfers or valuations, but PSR is a thing so rage ensues. Some of these fans just live in perpetual rage, looking for the next thing to get angry about, facts and logic hold no importance to them, they'll just moan and rage until the next thing comes along to cause even more outrage. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 8 hours ago, maqroll said: I hope our lawyers are on top of every detail of how we're navigating PSR right now. I don't think we've done anything wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 28 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I don't think we've done anything wrong. We’ve not. We’ve also recently hired a very experienced tax lawyer. Let them bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez1974 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 8 hours ago, allani said: I suspect they are. I think they are also probably doing quite a lot of work to demonstrate how PSR breaks so many international and EU financial and fair competition laws. I think the club are doing a great job of showing just how stupid PSR is right now - without saying a single word publically Our actions are getting attention in the media, and quite a few comments. But we are run by professionals, so I am sure we are compliant. We asked to change the rules (limits) - and were told no. OK - time to show just how stupid they are. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) It's within the rules. Now it's been brought to people's attention there may be new rules introduced to prevent it (like Chelsea's 8 year amortisation) but for now we're navigating PSR wonderfully. Edited June 24 by Wainy316 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 22 hours ago, burchy said: I think we’d have had our lawyers all over this before we even went down this route. Even if the league go at us I think we’d be ready, especially given the strong words from our owners. Not lawyers, accountants. It's not that complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 To reiterate, we are acting within the rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I think what a lot of critics don't fully mention is that these swaps are being done so that the clubs involved comply with their PSR obligations - we would not be selling these type of players in this way if we had decided to put two fingers up to the rules or if we were trying to get an advantage illegally. It's the rules which have led to this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 When’s the deadline and after that point does it mean we can stop talking about PSR for the rest of the summer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I've heard 30th June mentioned a few thousand times recently.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 6 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: When’s the deadline and after that point does it mean we can stop talking about PSR for the rest of the summer ? 30th June 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colhint Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 One thing about our little alliance with Everton and Chelsea is that seeing that it's legal a few more clubs might want to join us, and as I understand it 6 of us are playing the game, it can't be voted out can it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, colhint said: One thing about our little alliance with Everton and Chelsea is that seeing that it's legal a few more clubs might want to join us, and as I understand it 6 of us are playing the game, it can't be voted out can it. What can't be voted out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, Mr_Dogg said: What can't be voted out? Being allowed to sell each other players for the sole purpose of circumventing PSR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 39 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: When’s the deadline and after that point does it mean we can stop talking about PSR for the rest of the summer ? We can stop now. We're in the clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: We can stop now. We're in the clear. For 23/24 but not 24/25 so why not get ahead of that issue this window than being under the gun next June. Plus the loophole may somehow be closed over the next couple of months, I don’t know how or if it can be held up in court but the powers that be will be trying to stop us. So we’ll be talking about PSR for the foreseeable future. Edited June 24 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Rather we do any business as soon as possible and on our terms than do it next summer and maybe be forced into worse terms due to need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez1974 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 The reality is that, although clubs are 'the enemy' on the pitch, behind the scenes, people get on very well and are able to work together. We all seem to want Chelsea to struggle; we all hate Man U and Man C - but we will deal with these people without question if it's to our benefit - and if it benefits them too, so be it - it just makes it easier. It's no surprise if Monchi rung up his opposite number at Chelsea, Everton, Forest, and others to say 'we're interested in player X; anyone you fancy at our end and we can make a deal which will help both of us?" Our reality, as we grow income and try to remain competitive is that we need players for today. We are buying youth players (non-PSR players) who either come through or we sell in 2 or 3 years time - but for a lower fee as they need significant development. It's a gamble (see Louie Barry), but lower stakes. The established clubs can hoover up the best of these when they are about 19/20 from the likes of us - but it's still a gamble. They pay a lot more, but these players still aren't 'established'. We have taken nearly £40m from Chelsea for Chuk and Kellyman - both could end up not 'making it', and we've won big time. They could get a terrible injury. Both could be world beaters - it's Chelsea's risk now. For £40m - it's a risk we could not afford to take - we preferred to have Maatsen for next season instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman22 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 One thing I like about Monchi is that he seems to develop good relationships with other clubs so that deals like the Doug to Juve or the Everton and Chelsea back and forth are possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pez1974 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 25 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: We can stop now. We're in the clear. The club will have a list of players they want to move on, and for what fees. They will also have a list of players they ideally don't want to lose, but we have a price for. I suspect we have few 'untouchables'. I think that we are no longer desperate (if we ever were) - but moving players of about 20 on for decent money helps FFP, reduces wages (albeit relatively small), and free's up U23 spots for the next generation of players. Rather them go early, have a chance at a decent career and we make a bit of money, than we cling on and they take up wages and leave for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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