MSvillain Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 33 minutes ago, duke313 said: Isn’t that covered by Luiz, Kellyman and Tim sales? And possibly Duran. I think there’s a bit of not only fixing our current problem but also future proofing too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) Has there been any indication that our wheeling and dealing may save us from selling Dougie? Or is it just that our PSR issues are deeper than we thought. Duran £40m Iroegbunam £9m Kellyman £20m Bogarde £4m £73m incoming Dougie £60m It'd be a real worry if we need £130m+ incoming each season. We haven't been investing in the academy as much the last year or so, we'll run out of genuine assets we can sell for £40-60m a season as we aren't at the conveyor belt that the likes of Chelsea and City are. Edited June 22 by HalfTimePost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Cause we are living in a Monchi world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, HalfTimePost said: Has there been any indication that are wheeling and dealing may save us from selling Dougie? Or is it just that our PSR issues are deeper than we thought. Duran £40m Iroegbunam £9m Kellyman £20m Bogarde £4m £73m incoming Dougie £60m It'd be a real worry if we need £130m+ incoming each season. We haven't been investing in the academy as much the last year or so, we'll run out of genuine assets we can sell for £40-60m a season as we aren't at the conveyor belt that the likes of Chelsea and City are. Doug wants to go and the whole thing is way too advanced so that option isn't on the table either way. The current outgoings/incomings are now past balancing the books and moving into pure profit territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: Cause we are living in a Monchi world Monchi magic summer incoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 5 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: It'd be a real worry if we need £130m+ incoming each season. Complete guesswork but I'd say we're balancing the books and then also giving ourselves a kitty before we go shopping Id also say there's an element of expecting these kind of transfers to be banned before long so make hay while the sun shines Feels like the club are at the forefront or something for a change 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Nas asked them to change the rules, they said no. Well, now this is happening, buckle up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 9 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Has there been any indication that our wheeling and dealing may save us from selling Dougie? Or is it just that our PSR issues are deeper than we thought. Duran £40m Iroegbunam £9m Kellyman £20m Bogarde £4m £73m incoming Dougie £60m It'd be a real worry if we need £130m+ incoming each season. We haven't been investing in the academy as much the last year or so, we'll run out of genuine assets we can sell for £40-60m a season as we aren't at the conveyor belt that the likes of Chelsea and City are. it will have zero impact on Luiz. Depending on who you listen to, we need to make 40-60m to be compliant with PSR by the end of June. Then, if we actually want to spend much money, we will need to make money, to spend it i guess, , so if we do make 130m+, thats 40-60m to cover PSR, then anything over that can be spent on incoming transfers i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post duke313 Posted June 22 Popular Post Share Posted June 22 Hook this to my veins 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastmix Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 9 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I'd also say there's an element of expecting these kind of transfers to be banned before long so make hay while the sun shines I'm not exactly sure how they could possibly be banned. It's just two clubs, operating within the rules, signing players from one-another. I've seen 'inflated prices' thrown around a lot today, too. The value of any given player is entirely arbitrary. Even 'market value' isn't based on a reliable/readable framework. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 21 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Has there been any indication that our wheeling and dealing may save us from selling Dougie? Or is it just that our PSR issues are deeper than we thought. Duran £40m Iroegbunam £9m Kellyman £20m Bogarde £4m £73m incoming I think Chelsea are probably buying Kellyman instead of Duran. Not sure anyone else is interested in Duran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Just now, Beastmix said: I'm not exactly sure how they could possibly be banned. It's just two clubs, operating within the rules, signing players from one-another. I've seen 'inflated prices' thrown around a lot today, too. The value of any given player is entirely arbitrary. Even 'market value' isn't based on a reliable/readable framework. The UEFA document posted earlier shows how they will ban it. Swaps or anything swap-like can be done, but money from it just can’t be counted towards PSR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewieGriffin Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Add in Archer going again, then the possibility of Coutinho, Dendoncker, Chambers leaving as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 (edited) 7 minutes ago, duke313 said: Hook this to my veins This response, LOL. Edited June 22 by Aston_Villan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, Aston_Villan4 said: This response, LOL. The tears are glorious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, duke313 said: The tears are glorious. I like the Arsenal fan who’s in there countering him. He’s so salty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strog Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 We have some very clever people at our club. I hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 6 minutes ago, Beastmix said: I'm not exactly sure how they could possibly be banned. It's just two clubs, operating within the rules, signing players from one-another. I've seen 'inflated prices' thrown around a lot today, too. The value of any given player is entirely arbitrary. Even 'market value' isn't based on a reliable/readable framework. Think it would be fairly easy. They'd say transfers agreed within the same window between two clubs, the transfers are processed as only the difference between the fees. Rather than it "effectively" being a swap + Cash. It would be forced as actually a swap + cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Then we'd probably test the waters with 3-way club transfers. Villa buy Player A from Everton for £30m Everton buy Player B from Chelsea for £30m Chelsea buy Player C from Villa for £30m But this is the very definition of a cartel and would raise serious legal issues imo. So not sure we'd be able to get around it if they blocked our current loophole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 12 minutes ago, ender4 said: The UEFA document posted earlier shows how they will ban it. Swaps or anything swap-like can be done, but money from it just can’t be counted towards PSR. Which might be why we've decided to do it several times before they close the door Still think the main thing they need to stop is the whole pure profit nonsense, a system where selling youth players is rewarded is mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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