AvonVillain Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: In my opinion it's the value of the art. Thanks. What is the value of art? (This isn't a trick question - there's no right or wrong answer - I'm genuinely interested in this subject.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) Quote https://www.facebook.com/100065064399936/posts/392255556286588/?app=fbl Edited June 12, 2022 by A'Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 10/05/2022 at 03:33, AvonVillain said: Thanks. What is the value of art? (This isn't a trick question - there's no right or wrong answer - I'm genuinely interested in this subject.) Expression of self. It's an incredible phenomena that we are each so different and unique, all of us true originals and one of a kind, and yet we find ourselves so undeniably together in all of this. Whether we like it or not, this relationship has meaning as we have the ability to understand one another, choosing to exercise and practice that ability is perhaps another story. To be able to share and communicate through any medium so that we evoke and convey ourselves and what's in our heart of heart's, or mind's eye. And while I'm no one to speak for @Mandy Lifeboats, I wonder if the phrase artistic merit really needs to be qualified beyond saying it didn't speak to him. Avon, again not wanting to speak for you either, I like the idea of stimulating a discussion on this and inviting others to share their viewpoint. Life is an art. And I encourage anyone to embrace the artist of life in themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 When I wrote of a lack of artistic merit I was writing about Banksy's early work. I am a fan of his later work. Its thought provoking, brings art to the masses and is production is a performance in itself. But his early work does none of those things. It's no better or worse than most graffiti. It's just there because he went on to do better things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: When I wrote of a lack of artistic merit I was writing about Banksy's early work. I am a fan of his later work. Its thought provoking, brings art to the masses and is production is a performance in itself. But his early work does none of those things. It's no better or worse than most graffiti. It's just there because he went on to do better things. Yes, but who qualifies what's better than what? There's no universal measurement. I think that's what Avon was trying to elicit. I think the Banksy mural on the Gaza strip was immensely daring and profound in its simplicity. Other than that he doesn't appeal to me all that much. I've probably said before but I nearly went to jail for graffiti. Much better out there than Banksy. I'm glad to of experienced such an underground movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AvonVillain Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 23 hours ago, Mandy Lifeboats said: When I wrote of a lack of artistic merit I was writing about Banksy's early work. I am a fan of his later work. Its thought provoking, brings art to the masses and is production is a performance in itself. But his early work does none of those things. It's no better or worse than most graffiti. It's just there because he went on to do better things. I live in the area, and I know this sounds like ITK BS but used to be friends with some 'graff artists', as they called themselves, in and around Bristol, who knew Banksy. They actually didn't rate him as an artist at all, and talk of Blek le Rat came about, and 'sell out' and things. I found this quite odd as their own work was quite tag heavy, but not knowing about the culture greatly, guessed this was the 'pure' and unvarnished approach or something. I went to Dismal Land in WSM and found it concept heavy and artwork light. But I'm a fan of any art that gets the conversation of art going, and quite like what Banksy does. I thought his earliest work was that of the likes of the teddy bear throwing a molotov cocktail at policeman in Stokes Croft, Bristol? Which is really going back and does exactly what most all of Banksy's work does. Do you mean work earlier than that? If so I don't know it at all. I wouldn't imagine a single person on these boards would agree with my concept of 'good art' incidentally, as it's exactly the kind of stuff the popular media has mocked, well, forever.. 22 hours ago, A'Villan said: Yes, but who qualifies what's better than what? There's no universal measurement. I think that's what Avon was trying to elicit. Absolutely. But what I find really interesting is the people who dismiss a certain kind of art without knowing or bothering to find out a single thing about it. The next time someone dismisses Damien Hirst's shark, for example, ask them what it's called. My experience is they won't have the first idea, and will be completely baffled as to why someone would even ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Lifeboats Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, AvonVillain said: I thought his earliest work was that of the likes of the teddy bear throwing a molotov cocktail at policeman in Stokes Croft, Bristol? Which is really going back and does exactly what most all of Banksy's work does. Do you mean work earlier than that? If so I don't know it at all. There are many before that. Although there is no definitive catalogue written by Bansky. One that is widely recognised as containing Banksy artwork is called "Take The Money and Run". https://www.gpsmycity.com/attractions/take-the-money-and-run-9946.html "One of Banksy's oldest surviving works in Bristol" Edited June 13, 2022 by Mandy Lifeboats Added details 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xann Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 San Francisco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Very creative use of an unorthodox medium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xann Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Dall:E was funny. Midjourney looks serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Xann said: Dall:E was funny. Midjourney looks serious Giving me strong Pan's Labyrinth vibes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, bickster said: Giving me strong Pan's Labyrinth vibes My art knowledge is poor, but I'd have plumbed for an Absinthe nation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 5, 2022 Just now, Xann said: My art knowledge is poor, but I'd have plumbed for an Absinthe nation More the film than other art, there's a scene in it where she walks though a similarly lit big hall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 16, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) It just struck me that English doesn't have a word for how we experience visual art. If you're telling someone about your tastes in various artforms, you might say: "I read a lot of science fiction", "I like to watch European films", "I mainly listen to jazz", etc. But what do you do with paintings, or sculpture? Saying "I look at British landscapes" doesn't sound right. "Appreciate" doesn't work either (it's more a comment on your judgement than simply the process). Same with "like" - you may not like all of it, any more than you like every SF book you read, or jazz album you listen to. I find this curious. Edited October 16, 2022 by mjmooney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted October 16, 2022 Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, mjmooney said: It just struck me that English doesn't have a word for how we experience visual art. If you're telling someone about your tastes in various artforms, you might say: "I read a lot of science fiction", "I like to watch European films", "I mainly listen to jazz", etc. But what do you do with paintings, or sculpture? That's one view, I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 16, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, blandy said: That's one view, I suppose "I tend to view mainly renaissance art". Hmm. It's the best suggestion, I agree, but it still sounds a bit awkward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bielesibub Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Keeping it all art, I thought lets get art (or AI art) to try to give an answer) I asked dall-e 2 the question 'how different people perceive art' amongst other images it came up with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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