Tom13 Posted Saturday at 18:59 Share Posted Saturday at 18:59 5 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: I didn’t watch, was just going off the line up Sofascore posted Flashscore had the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted Monday at 17:30 Share Posted Monday at 17:30 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted Monday at 17:40 Share Posted Monday at 17:40 We have to start pulling these players out now, it's silly. Rogers and Jaden both played 90 mins vs Bayern, 50 games for England U21s isn't even going to match that in terms of development and experience. England U21s play Azerbaijan tomorrow. What is the point of rolling out Rogers in that? He better not play, the lad needs time to rest he's played almost every minute for us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted Monday at 18:19 Share Posted Monday at 18:19 Pull them out. The sky 6 do. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted Monday at 20:19 Share Posted Monday at 20:19 Really don't even get why they have U21 or U20 national team competitions anymore. Players selected for those teams are fully professional and playing and training at a very high level with their club teams anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted Monday at 20:39 Share Posted Monday at 20:39 Have we considered that the players may want to be part of these games? Don't personally care about our players turning out for England at any level, but it presumably means a lot to them and their families so there's an air of entitlement about calls to pull them out. Really not sure how forbidding our youngsters from playing for their countries at U21 level is gonna make us an attractive proposition for the best young talent either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted Monday at 20:46 Popular Post Share Posted Monday at 20:46 5 minutes ago, icouldtelltheworld said: Have we considered that the players may want to be part of these games? Don't personally care about our players turning out for England at any level, but it presumably means a lot to them and their families so there's an air of entitlement about calls to pull them out. Really not sure how forbidding our youngsters from playing for their countries at U21 level is gonna make us an attractive proposition for the best young talent either Wonder how Jacob Ramsey feels having had his career derailed since he played in a U21 tournament he had no business being at, as he was well beyond the level. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted Monday at 20:49 Share Posted Monday at 20:49 Just too.much international football 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted Monday at 22:28 Share Posted Monday at 22:28 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: Wonder how Jacob Ramsey feels having had his career derailed since he played in a U21 tournament he had no business being at, as he was well beyond the level. Has it been derailed? He's still young and playing regularly for a top PL team. What if it had happened whilst he was playing as an overage player for us in the Johnstones Paint Trophy or whatever it's called now? He could've excused himself, but didn't. Presumably he wanted to go there and be a key player representing his country in an international competition (which they ended up winning, incidentally). Footballers are at risk of getting injured in every game they play. I suspect that Ramsey will go onto have a long career in professional football and will look back proudly one day in playing an important part in helping his country to win a prestigious international competition when it's all said and done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted Monday at 22:47 Share Posted Monday at 22:47 2 hours ago, icouldtelltheworld said: Have we considered that the players may want to be part of these games? Don't personally care about our players turning out for England at any level, but it presumably means a lot to them and their families so there's an air of entitlement about calls to pull them out. Really not sure how forbidding our youngsters from playing for their countries at U21 level is gonna make us an attractive proposition for the best young talent either Decent point. I was surprised in that Crystal Palace youth academy documentary how many times "you could represent England one day" was said. It's still an important milestone for footballers growing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted Monday at 23:33 Share Posted Monday at 23:33 2 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Wonder how Jacob Ramsey feels having had his career derailed since he played in a U21 tournament he had no business being at, as he was well beyond the level. I absolutely love Jacob Ramsey - rate him higher than most - but I’d still say there were plenty of players in that tournament who most people would say are better than him (including players like Alex Baena who I have been told on here would significantly improve our first team). So not sure ‘beyond the level’ makes sense even if we don’t think players in the first team of a PL side should be playing for the U21s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted Tuesday at 00:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 00:45 4 hours ago, icouldtelltheworld said: Have we considered that the players may want to be part of these games? Don't personally care about our players turning out for England at any level, but it presumably means a lot to them and their families so there's an air of entitlement about calls to pull them out. Really not sure how forbidding our youngsters from playing for their countries at U21 level is gonna make us an attractive proposition for the best young talent either Fine when they aren't playing loads, we should permanently withdraw players like Rodgers from the U21's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted Tuesday at 05:39 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:39 6 hours ago, Adam2003 said: I absolutely love Jacob Ramsey - rate him higher than most - but I’d still say there were plenty of players in that tournament who most people would say are better than him (including players like Alex Baena who I have been told on here would significantly improve our first team). So not sure ‘beyond the level’ makes sense even if we don’t think players in the first team of a PL side should be playing for the U21s. He was flying at the end of that season. Absolutely flying. He showed natural finishing ability beyond anything we've ever seen from players like Rogers or Grealish or Watkins. For me, he's been out for a whole year. He was playing through a botched surgery, and had to have another serious op on the same injury. Philogene's a different case tbh. It's very annoying, but him being called up, and playing, for the U21 isn't totally ridiculous. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted Tuesday at 05:59 VT Supporter Share Posted Tuesday at 05:59 18 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: He was flying at the end of that season. Absolutely flying. He showed natural finishing ability beyond anything we've ever seen from players like Rogers or Grealish or Watkins. For me, he's been out for a whole year. He was playing through a botched surgery, and had to have another serious op on the same injury. Philogene's a different case tbh. It's very annoying, but him being called up, and playing, for the U21 isn't totally ridiculous. He played very well against Bayern Munich in the champions league and will probably miss our next champions league game because he played for the U21 and got injured....its totally ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted Tuesday at 07:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 07:43 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: He was flying at the end of that season. Absolutely flying. He showed natural finishing ability beyond anything we've ever seen from players like Rogers or Grealish or Watkins. For me, he's been out for a whole year. He was playing through a botched surgery, and had to have another serious op on the same injury. Philogene's a different case tbh. It's very annoying, but him being called up, and playing, for the U21 isn't totally ridiculous. He was playing well and I sort of agree that he should have been at the very least in contention for the senior squad that summer but he scored exactly the same goals that season as he had the season before - 6. Eze got 10/11 goals that season in a similar position so was ahead of him, as was Rashford who got 17. Grealish had his best season for City the year they won the CL so he was never being dropped. Ramsey was unlucky but it was a stacked position. I'd like to know who you thought was coming out the squad to make way for him. And if he wasn't going into the seniors and was eligible for the U21s in a major tournament for them of course they're going to take him. Other players in that squad might have felt they were too good for that level too but still played. It was just bloody unlucky that Ramsey got a serious injury from playing in it. Agree on Philogene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted Tuesday at 08:02 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:02 14 minutes ago, Leeroy said: Ramsey was unlucky but it was a stacked position. I'd like to know who you thought was coming out the squad to make way for him. Never mentioned England first team. 14 minutes ago, Leeroy said: And if he wasn't going into the seniors and was eligible for the U21s in a major tournament for them of course they're going to take him. That approach is incorrect. Needs to be rethought. A first-team top-flight player has no place going and playing development football. They should be resting for competitive matches that matter. Wouldn't be surprised if youth internationals are a big casualty in football when the player strike murmurs grow louder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted Tuesday at 08:17 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:17 11 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Never mentioned England first team. That approach is incorrect. Needs to be rethought. A first-team top-flight player has no place going and playing development football. They should be resting for competitive matches that matter. Wouldn't be surprised if youth internationals are a big casualty in football when the player strike murmurs grow louder. The rest would have done us and Ramsey good but it’s naive to think they wouldn’t pick the strongest squad available. We could have asked Ramsey not to go if we wanted him to rest, maybe we did and he wanted to go, either way it was probably out of our hands. So unless the England youth sides stop all major tournaments and just play friendlies (or scrap international youth football altogether) then this will continue to happen I’m afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted Tuesday at 08:18 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:18 1 minute ago, Leeroy said: The rest would have done us and Ramsey good but it’s naive to think they wouldn’t pick the strongest squad available. We could have asked Ramsey not to go if we wanted him to rest, maybe we did and he wanted to go, either way it was probably out of our hands. So unless the England youth sides stop all major tournaments and just play friendlies (or scrap international youth football altogether) then this will continue to happen I’m afraid. I agree. And it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamingDad Posted Tuesday at 09:20 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:20 All international matches should be moved to the summer once the domestic leagues have finished. Have all the qualifiers inbetween the Euros and World Cup years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted Tuesday at 09:44 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:44 22 minutes ago, GamingDad said: All international matches should be moved to the summer once the domestic leagues have finished. Have all the qualifiers inbetween the Euros and World Cup years. So get rid of the only significant period of time off that players get? I'm not sure that would improve things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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