lexicon Posted Wednesday at 05:19 Share Posted Wednesday at 05:19 14 hours ago, duke313 said: We aren't playing like one though. Playing badly but mostly winning our games isn't the worst sign in the world 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted Wednesday at 05:24 Share Posted Wednesday at 05:24 30 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Far more efficient spending £10m on a Philogene contract than £30m on a Diaby contract. Zaniolo was dog. If Philogene plays well twice in 25 games for us, he's been better than him. We spent more than £10m on Philogene and Diaby was paid according to what he gave us. Of course Philogene is on a lot less because he’s not nearly as good. Once again, this was something we did for financial reasons (as Unai keeps pointing out in press conferences) and it shows on the pitch. If our manager had the choice between keeping Diaby or selling him and buying Philogene, he of course would have kept Diaby. He didn’t have that choice sadly. Ok. Let’s see if Philogene has more than 2 good games for us. Already a sixth of the way through the season and he hasn’t had one yet. But I really, really, really hope you’re right because I want the lad to come good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted Wednesday at 06:25 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:25 58 minutes ago, Leeroy said: We spent more than £10m on Philogene and Diaby was paid according to what he gave us. Of course Philogene is on a lot less because he’s not nearly as good. Once again, this was something we did for financial reasons (as Unai keeps pointing out in press conferences) and it shows on the pitch. If our manager had the choice between keeping Diaby or selling him and buying Philogene, he of course would have kept Diaby. He didn’t have that choice sadly. Ok. Let’s see if Philogene has more than 2 good games for us. Already a sixth of the way through the season and he hasn’t had one yet. But I really, really, really hope you’re right because I want the lad to come good. Yeah, he's not been great in his 45 mins on the pitch. Philogene's contract will be less than £10m. If you want to include transfer fee it's about £22m for Philogene vs 65m for Diaby. No contest. Worth remembering Diaby would be sitting on the bench if he was still here. So not a great use of £65m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted Wednesday at 06:30 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:30 4 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Yeah, he's not been great in his 45 mins on the pitch. Philogene's contract will be less than £10m. If you want to include transfer fee it's about £22m for Philogene vs 65m for Diaby. No contest. Worth remembering Diaby would be sitting on the bench if he was still here. So not a great use of £65m. Ramsey would be on the bench. Diaby was a really decent player and I think he would have kicked on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted Wednesday at 06:55 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:55 I think some were expecting more from him but others feel a little put out that he left in the first place. He could have had a season learning under Emery and getting plenty of minutes getting used to the system against the calibre of opposition we typically face, but he decided to choose first team football in the championship instead. Was it the better decision? Not sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Wednesday at 07:59 Share Posted Wednesday at 07:59 57 minutes ago, lexicon said: I think some were expecting more from him but others feel a little put out that he left in the first place. He could have had a season learning under Emery and getting plenty of minutes getting used to the system against the calibre of opposition we typically face, but he decided to choose first team football in the championship instead. Was it the better decision? Not sure. I personally think he needs a loan to get some confidence maybe back to Championship or relegation battling team but not sure we have the resources to loan more players out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_10 Posted Wednesday at 08:45 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:45 (edited) On 30/09/2024 at 09:34, Zatman said: Was a few saying he be better than Diaby and Zaniolo and was a huge mistake let him go last season I said, not on here mind, that letting him go was a mistake, especially to bring him back at the price that we did meant that we effectively paid Hull £8M (?) for them to loan our player. I believe that he will become more productive than Zaniolo too. I dint believe that he is better than Diaby though. Diaby has been criminally underrated by some of our fans because his form was not incredibly consistent. But his numbers stacked up well for a man first year in a new country that was an upgrade from his previous. But, I still think Philogene will come good. I think he placed a little bit of pressure on himself by wanting more football & at a club like Villa, he has to produce performances at the very minimum. But at the same time, with a couple of injuries & a few mins here & there, it is impossible to work himself into a rhythm to find form, unless he just explodes with form in one or two games, like Duran has. The strange thing about Philogene, is his stats & form were good, but not wholly different to Archer & Aaron Ramsey. So it seems strange that they were deemed surplus to requirements but Philogene was brought back. Other than for PSR reasons. Im not complaining he's back though. I like him as a player, & while I understood his leaving for regular football at a key stage in his development, I didn't want us to sell. Especially for a measly £5M. Edited Wednesday at 09:05 by Andy_10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted Wednesday at 09:04 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:04 Doesn't help when he's in yards of space and Konsa doesn't pass to him. Can't help his confidence..I'm sure it's a confidence thing and feeling of belonging at this level. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted Wednesday at 15:42 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:42 7 hours ago, Zatman said: I personally think he needs a loan to get some confidence maybe back to Championship or relegation battling team but not sure we have the resources to loan more players out That would make this entire venture a waste of time and money tbh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted Wednesday at 15:49 Share Posted Wednesday at 15:49 He may well come on at some point tonight and if he does what a stage for him to hopefully produce the spark that really ignites his Villa career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted Wednesday at 16:01 Share Posted Wednesday at 16:01 11 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: He may well come on at some point tonight and if he does what a stage for him to hopefully produce the spark that really ignites his Villa career. Hope so. He's got plenty of time, anyway. To be quite honest, this is what we should have been getting out the way last season instead of him just playing in the champo for a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted Wednesday at 16:26 Share Posted Wednesday at 16:26 24 minutes ago, lexicon said: Hope so. He's got plenty of time, anyway. To be quite honest, this is what we should have been getting out the way last season instead of him just playing in the champo for a season. It's a pity he was injured for the Wycombe game. That could have been valuable game time for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayEm Posted Wednesday at 17:50 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:50 Starting against Bayern Munich in the Champions League tonight. Wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted Wednesday at 17:52 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:52 A big vote of confidence in him, might be a case of keeping it tight and having the impact of Bailey off the bench to help win it in the final quarter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted Wednesday at 17:56 Share Posted Wednesday at 17:56 Something that gets lost in the sauce, but philogene is a very good defensive winger. Presses like a monster, fights in tackles and tracks back hard. He can do a lot of good work defensively tonight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alakagom Posted Wednesday at 18:05 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:05 Find it very amusing how Emery rates him while the last two pages were basically calling him Champions(ship) player and slating for 5 minute cameos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switters Posted Wednesday at 18:05 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:05 Yeah suspect he's been put in with specific task to keep track of Davies. Big game to get your first start of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Wednesday at 18:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:09 Well good luck to him, hope he shakes off the recent games and delivers tonight Baptism of fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted Wednesday at 18:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:09 3 minutes ago, Alakagom said: Find it very amusing how Emery rates him while the last two pages were basically calling him Champions(ship) player and slating for 5 minute cameos None of us see him in training, so can only go on what we have seen and we haven't seen a whole lot so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted Wednesday at 18:14 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:14 7 minutes ago, Alakagom said: Find it very amusing how Emery rates him while the last two pages were basically calling him Champions(ship) player and slating for 5 minute cameos Clearly Emery rates him or we wouldn't have paid the money we did to bring him back. I remain to be convinced that he's ready to start a match of this magnitude, but if Emery backs him, I'm openminded about it. I will be watching him closely tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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