Vancvillan Posted Monday at 05:14 Share Posted Monday at 05:14 Looked terrified tbh, obviously there's a player there but he needs time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvilla28 Posted Monday at 05:38 Share Posted Monday at 05:38 Needs to lift his game bigtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted Monday at 06:27 Share Posted Monday at 06:27 There's plenty more players/areas to be worried about rather than JPB right now. He's not even played a half of football all together yet through sub appearances. Missing the Wycombe game was a blow, would've been good for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Monday at 06:58 Share Posted Monday at 06:58 13 hours ago, VillaAlex said: Needs time, he didn't even look fit, would have really helped if he was fit midweek and played that game. I think he was the wrong sub today but then we didn't really have anyone else to play on the right hand side. The issue for me is Everton and Ipswich he has looked terrified on the ball especially against one team he played against last season and the other a Championship level defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted Monday at 08:18 Share Posted Monday at 08:18 16 hours ago, markavfc40 said: He had 20 mins against West Ham... and I can't think of one positive contribution from him Go back and check who won back possession to start the move for our winner... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted Monday at 08:25 Share Posted Monday at 08:25 Jesus wept. Give him a chance. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted Monday at 08:26 Share Posted Monday at 08:26 16 hours ago, Zatman said: Looks a bit out of his depth so far. Not the Diaby upgrade people were claiming when he signed Can’t recall a single poster making that claim. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Monday at 08:34 Share Posted Monday at 08:34 7 minutes ago, meregreen said: Can’t recall a single poster making that claim. Was a few saying he be better than Diaby and Zaniolo and was a huge mistake let him go last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted Monday at 09:18 Share Posted Monday at 09:18 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Zatman said: Was a few saying he be better than Diaby and Zaniolo and was a huge mistake let him go last season Yes which I found a bit baffling. Very reliant on Bailey now and really he's had one great season with us but it's a lot to expect for him to reproduce performances like he showed against Man City . I was choked when Diaby was sold. Edited Monday at 09:19 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david-avfc Posted Monday at 13:54 Share Posted Monday at 13:54 Unfortunately some embarrassing comments on here regarding a young player who has only played a few minutes at PL level. I can only assume there are many fans on here who have never watched football before, expecting a player in Philogene’s situation to be a complete player at this stage of his career. Not only that but he basically did nothing wrong in the last game, not his fault Konsa needlessly gave the ball away when he was out of position or his fault over Carlos’ car crash defending, which is what cost us the game. The team was poor for the entire second half, Philogene is not the scape goat for the team’s performance or for the crap mistakes made by senior players. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted Monday at 18:01 Author Share Posted Monday at 18:01 11 hours ago, Farlz said: There's plenty more players/areas to be worried about rather than JPB right now. He's not even played a half of football all together yet through sub appearances. Missing the Wycombe game was a blow, would've been good for him. Maybe they might start him next Tuesday in The EFL Trophy at Bolton (Unless he gets an England U21 call up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted Monday at 19:17 Share Posted Monday at 19:17 On 29/09/2024 at 16:31, markavfc40 said: He needs to grasp the limited opportunities he is being given. He had 20 mins against West Ham and 30 minutes today and I can't think of one positive contribution from him. Way too soon to write him of but the bottom line is that we are lacking wide players so we need him to make an impact and be a player we can call upon to make a positive contribution. Just wrong. Against Ipswich he won a fee kick, beat his man and played a nice ball into Duran and the layoff didn't come off. He got the ball like 4 times, because Konsa had zero interest in passing too him. And he made progressive moves every single time. Had we actually played down the right at all in his minutes (or in games in general - that Bailey assist is basically the only attack we've really had from the right all year) he might have had the opportunity to do something. 78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted Monday at 21:50 Share Posted Monday at 21:50 Problem is, we are a CL team now. An unfortunately this boy ain't at that level. Not yet anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted Tuesday at 14:18 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:18 (edited) On 30/09/2024 at 14:54, david-avfc said: Unfortunately some embarrassing comments on here regarding a young player who has only played a few minutes at PL level. I can only assume there are many fans on here who have never watched football before, expecting a player in Philogene’s situation to be a complete player at this stage of his career. Not only that but he basically did nothing wrong in the last game, not his fault Konsa needlessly gave the ball away when he was out of position or his fault over Carlos’ car crash defending, which is what cost us the game. The team was poor for the entire second half, Philogene is not the scape goat for the team’s performance or for the crap mistakes made by senior players. You're arguing against a narrative you've made up yourself. No one is expecting a "complete player" - but ultimately, he's 22. He's the same age as Morgan Rogers. He's not an 18 year old. No one is blaming him for the goal we conceded? No one is even blaming him for the dropped points. I can't see anyone who's made him the scape goat. Ultimately, he played half an hour and did nothing against a Championship full-back. He did nothing with the ball when he had it. He was lucky to win a free kick, apart from that I think he gave the ball away pretty much every other time he had it. If you look at the players our league rivals our bringing off the bench, it's clearly far from ideal that we're bringing on someone of his current quality. Hopefully he kicks on and becomes a more complete player - clearly Emery believes in him. Again, no one blames him for the bad result on Sunday - but fans are perfectly within their rights to expect a 22 year old player we signed for £15m+ to impact the game (at all) in half an hour against a team that came 2nd in the Championship last year. Edited Tuesday at 14:19 by Cizzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted Tuesday at 14:42 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:42 He's definitely short on confidence. There was a few times against Ipswich when he was one on one with their full back and just passed it back to Konsa when he could've run at them. Hopefully the coaches can get his confidence up so he starts attacking teams like he did in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted Tuesday at 14:44 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:44 16 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Problem is, we are a CL team now. An unfortunately this boy ain't at that level. Not yet anyway. We aren't playing like one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted Tuesday at 22:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:11 7 hours ago, Cizzler said: You're arguing against a narrative you've made up yourself. No one is expecting a "complete player" - but ultimately, he's 22. He's the same age as Morgan Rogers. He's not an 18 year old. No one is blaming him for the goal we conceded? No one is even blaming him for the dropped points. I can't see anyone who's made him the scape goat. Ultimately, he played half an hour and did nothing against a Championship full-back. He did nothing with the ball when he had it. He was lucky to win a free kick, apart from that I think he gave the ball away pretty much every other time he had it. If you look at the players our league rivals our bringing off the bench, it's clearly far from ideal that we're bringing on someone of his current quality. Hopefully he kicks on and becomes a more complete player - clearly Emery believes in him. Again, no one blames him for the bad result on Sunday - but fans are perfectly within their rights to expect a 22 year old player we signed for £15m+ to impact the game (at all) in half an hour against a team that came 2nd in the Championship last year. Rogers himself wasn’t as he is without playing. From an 8m player to the most selected Villa player in Fantasy PL. Jaden needs confidence and time, he’s winning tough fouls which shows the ability is there. The whole team need more work but we’re getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted Wednesday at 00:58 Share Posted Wednesday at 00:58 On 30/09/2024 at 16:34, Zatman said: Was a few saying he be better than Diaby and Zaniolo and was a huge mistake let him go last season Yeah, he's better than both. Obviously he's better than Zaniolo, let's not be ridiculous. Far more efficient spending £10m on a Philogene contract than £30m on a Diaby contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted Wednesday at 03:32 Share Posted Wednesday at 03:32 2 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Yeah, he's better than both. Obviously he's better than Zaniolo, let's not be ridiculous. Far more efficient spending £10m on a Philogene contract than £30m on a Diaby contract. Diaby is a far better player mate, don’t be silly now. And actually so far he ain’t even better than Zaniolo. No chance Philogene could put in a performance like he did away at Arsenal last season based on what I’ve seen so far. Zaniolo was mostly crap for us though I agree but he did at least have his moments. It’s still far too early to say either way if he’s better or worse but so far he looks out of his depth so saying ‘Obviously he’s better than Zaniolo’ isn’t helpful or accurate. Still very early days for Jaden and of course we all want him to come good but every time he has stepped on to the pitch so far (which admittedly hasn’t been much) for us he looks like a deer in headlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted Wednesday at 04:46 Share Posted Wednesday at 04:46 1 hour ago, Leeroy said: Diaby is a far better player mate, don’t be silly now. Far more efficient spending £10m on a Philogene contract than £30m on a Diaby contract. 1 hour ago, Leeroy said: And actually so far he ain’t even better than Zaniolo. No chance Philogene could put in a performance like he did away at Arsenal last season based on what I’ve seen so far. Zaniolo was dog. If Philogene plays well twice in 25 games for us, he's been better than him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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