CarryOnVilla Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 minute ago, Pez1974 said: Duran - yes; the talent is there but the brains aren't at the moment, and he seems to be a pain in the arse. Carlos - as you say. But we might incur a loss to lose him. Cash - because he is probably at his peak value, and I think we need to improve that area. Moreno and/or Digne - we appear to have cover here now, but can we sell without making a loss? Archer - if Unai doesn't rate him (and if he comes back), then he deserves a chance. Won't make much on him now though, given the buy-back price. After that - it's who we can sell for good money based on a combination of who else we have in the squad and what else we need. And I think Diaby might be the one, as much as it saddens me. Nice shouts however my thoughts.. I agree with Duran Like Carlos, losing Cash means we need a like for like replacement (needed, but not a loss we can take to strengthen elsewhere) moreno/Digne, 1 still could be registered if we don’t register Kamara, or both if we don’t register Mings aswell.. if not they’re “surplus to requirements” as it is now. So selling is needed, but won’t free up any extra room… yet Archer is a free hit tbh. Being club trained hes not taking up a valuable squad spot, might be useful as back up if/when we sell Duran Soo I’m still at losing Digne or Buendia so glad I’m not making this decision for real 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 33 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: PSR isn’t really my issue, it’s the bloated squad. Maybe a “bloated squad “ means we might be able to put out a strong bench until the end of the season, instead of it being full of spotty teenagers with no experience. And don’t forget five or six of the bloated squad will probably be out injured for lengthy periods, knowing our luck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Surely gotta win the Puskas award? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_AA_786 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 I get @CarryOnVilla point about the squad size and I think we do need to trim a little (Chambers, Hause, Dendonker, Cash, Moreno etc.) but I also think with how injuries were last year, we can have one or two players who are more for the league/cups so outside of the CL squad. Diaby hasn't shown it fully at Villa yet but he's enormously talented. Going to get some push back for this but I stand by it.... I'd sell Bailey before Diaby all day every day! Bailey is older, more injury prone and his dad is a ****head so will kick up a fuss at some point when we're rotating players. I also think JJ's long term position will be in CM but we sometimes consider him a wing option currently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 minute ago, rjw63 said: Maybe a “bloated squad “ means we might be able to put out a strong bench until the end of the season, instead of it being full of spotty teenagers with no experience. And don’t forget five or six of the bloated squad will probably be out injured for lengthy periods, knowing our luck. When I’m saying bloated, I’m saying we got more players then we can register PL registration is more flexible to get a few more in But CL is tougher. So far it’s 21 senior players and 4 club trained players (JJ, Archer, KKH, (maybe) Philogene) go through and work out your CL squad. I doubt you’d find a spotty teenager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, lexicon said: It weakens the team, which isn't really what we want to do. Yes, but it strengthens the squad, I'm not sure on EMery's plans for Diaby, but he wasnt an untouchable last season (like say Emi/Konsa/Pau/Watkins). I'm not for it, but concerned we are allegedly £40m+ in the hole next June which needs addressing and Saudi money might offer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 I don’t see the point in signing him, are are stacked in his positions 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 45 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: Nice shouts however my thoughts.. I agree with Duran Like Carlos, losing Cash means we need a like for like replacement (needed, but not a loss we can take to strengthen elsewhere) moreno/Digne, 1 still could be registered if we don’t register Kamara, or both if we don’t register Mings aswell.. if not they’re “surplus to requirements” as it is now. So selling is needed, but won’t free up any extra room… yet Archer is a free hit tbh. Being club trained hes not taking up a valuable squad spot, might be useful as back up if/when we sell Duran Soo I’m still at losing Digne or Buendia so glad I’m not making this decision for real Sounds like you're discussing CL squad. We have a different issue trying to register him for the PL squad, but possibly slightly easier to resolve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 13 minutes ago, paul514 said: I don’t see the point in signing him, are are stacked in his positions Yeah, good point. We had no injuries last season either so not like we need extra depth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 14 minutes ago, paul514 said: I don’t see the point in signing him, are are stacked in his positions True, but there clearly is a point, it’s just not immediately obvious to us as fans. The interesting thing to speculate on is what Unai might have planned.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 19 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Sounds like you're discussing CL squad. We have a different issue trying to register him for the PL squad, but possibly slightly easier to resolve. Ahh the PL squad is a touch easier as it doesn’t have the same limitations. But yeah I’m more focused on the CL with my point, as it’s the one that creates a tougher choice and upset players if they’re not registered. also my train of thought is based upon upset VTers that think tielemans/barkley/barrenechea/Kamara is not a good enough midfield for CL football. Sooo we need a new CM, but we need to find the room, where are we getting that room, that doesn’t weaken other areas… the only places I can find is Duran & Diaby/Buendia Edited July 11 by CarryOnVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 7 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said: Ahh the PL squad is a touch easier as it doesn’t have the same limitations. But yeah I’m more focused on the CL with my point, as it’s the one that creates a tougher choice and upset players if they’re not registered. also my train of thought is based upon upset VTers that think tielsman/barkley/barrebechea/Kamara is not a good enough midfield for CL football. Sooo we need a new CM, but we need to find the room, where are we getting that room, that doesn’t weaken other areas… the only places I can find is Duran & Diaby/Buendia mate... I understand the difficulty with Barrenechea but "Tielsman" is criminal. Edited July 11 by LxYoungAVFC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, CarryOnVilla said: Ahh the PL squad is a touch easier as it doesn’t have the same limitations. But yeah I’m more focused on the CL with my point, as it’s the one that creates a tougher choice and upset players if they’re not registered. also my train of thought is based upon upset VTers that think tielsman/barkley/barrebechea/Kamara is not a good enough midfield for CL football. Sooo we need a new CM, but we need to find the room, where are we getting that room, that doesn’t weaken other areas… the only places I can find is Duran & Diaby/Buendia I'm one of those that would like a loaned DM to cover Kamara in the first half of the season. Although, it does sound like he may be on track for a return by November and if that's the case I'd be tempted to go with what we have until then,... Enzo I think will exceed some people's expectations. Duran going leaves us weak up front though in my opinion. Unless Archer shows in pre season he can work with our style of play, we would have to replace him with a striker and that doesn't then give us any more space. Like you, not sure how we get Philogene in without someone unexpected dropping out of CL squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 26 minutes ago, paul514 said: I don’t see the point in signing him, are are stacked in his positions We have Bailey and Diaby (who I'm not even sure is best there). And that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 55 minutes ago, thunderball said: Yes, but it strengthens the squad, I'm not sure on EMery's plans for Diaby, but he wasnt an untouchable last season (like say Emi/Konsa/Pau/Watkins). I'm not for it, but concerned we are allegedly £40m+ in the hole next June which needs addressing and Saudi money might offer that. JPB in and Diaby out does not strengthen the squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 11 Moderator Share Posted July 11 Just now, Mazrim said: We have Bailey and Diaby (who I'm not even sure is best there). And that's it. Depends how you look at it. If he's playing on the right, we have Bailey, Diaby, McGinn, Buendia and potentially Tielemans who can all play there - on the left, Rogers, Ramsey, Illing-Junior and Dobbin. We've got a lot of players in those attacking midfield/wing/support forward roles - I think something will have to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 2 minutes ago, LxYoungAVFC said: mate... I understand the difficulty with Barrenechea but "Tielsman" is criminal. Cheers, fixed. Dyslexia, dumb, fat thumbs, fighting autocorrect, not proof reading. Take your pick. Single or multiple choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 20 minutes ago, MrBlack said: I'm one of those that would like a loaned DM to cover Kamara in the first half of the season. Although, it does sound like he may be on track for a return by November and if that's the case I'd be tempted to go with what we have until then,... Enzo I think will exceed some people's expectations. Duran going leaves us weak up front though in my opinion. Unless Archer shows in pre season he can work with our style of play, we would have to replace him with a striker and that doesn't then give us any more space. Like you, not sure how we get Philogene in without someone unexpected dropping out of CL squad. Yeah I think Enzo is going to surprise fans too. Tidy unflappable player. Archer is my only hope to selling Duran for a squad position. If archer steps up in pre season (hoping he will) then we have room for one more permanent signing elsewhere. And yes, I agree, short term loans for Kamara and maybe Mings would be ideal, but is there CL quality in the loan market? and lucky for you, Philogene can be registered as club trained, and be 1 of the 4 with JJ, KKH and Archer (if we keep him) but Philogene being in the overall squad, means we are stacked in wingers. So gives us room to sell one. Buendia being the less needed (maybe) but harder to sell, and Diaby being the most easy to sell Edited July 11 by CarryOnVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 16 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Depends how you look at it. If he's playing on the right, we have Bailey, Diaby, McGinn, Buendia and potentially Tielemans who can all play there - on the left, Rogers, Ramsey, Illing-Junior and Dobbin. We've got a lot of players in those attacking midfield/wing/support forward roles - I think something will have to give. I only see Bailey and Diaby as a natural right winger amongst all those names. Plus its a massive fixture list next season if we aim to go deep in the cups (lets hope so). After preseason, a couple may go out on loan too. Plus we don't even know what the main formation(s) will be As for JPB, I was really disappointed when we let him go last season. I thought he was the pick of the youngsters in preseason. If he's coming back, I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 1 hour ago, Pongo Waring said: Surely gotta win the Puskas award? I mean... it wasn't on target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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