AndyClarke Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, VillaFaninLondon said: It seems odd if we are haggling over a fee of £18m for this guy but had no qualms paying £17m up front for Traoré. It is the structure of the "up front" payment (should probably be called, guaranteed payment i.e not the add ons), e.g. What is the down payment? How are the other payments made up to reach the guaranteed figure (% per year etc)? This sort of discussion is what complicates transfers. Edited September 20, 2020 by AndyClarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 It’s not the fee that’s the issue. it’s the payment structure. WB wants all/most of the money up front. Because they’re skint right now, in this very moment. AV wants to pay it in instalments, to help keep costs under the FFP limit. So they have to sort it out one way or another its called negotiations, it takes time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: To be fair, it's only a couple of weeks ago we were slating the board for not paying up the " 20 - 22 mill " that Brentford wanted for Watkins. Turned out to be 28 rising - 33. For all we know, Brentford might have ACTUALLY wanted 35! At the end of the day, we are talking millions of pounds here. I actually thought we were mad paying so much for Watkins, but it does suggest we’re willing to pay to get the players we want. Watkins will need support having never played at this level before. We all bemoaned our wingers last season, and we’ll be starting the game tomorrow with one of Trez or El Ghazi because Traoré was signed too late to be ready and the other winger we want is still training with his club. FWIW I think Rashica is worth more than £20m. He’s performed outstanding at Bremen for 2 seasons now against top teams in a tough league. I don’t want to criticise the club but was hoping this would be done by now. Hopefully this week it will be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, AndyClarke said: It is the structure of the "up front" payment (should probably be called, guaranteed payment i.e not the add ons), e.g. What is the down payment? How are the other payments made up to reach the guaranteed figure. Thos sort of discussion is what complicates transfers. Yeah I understand these things can be complicated, it’s just the ongoing nature of it that’s frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, VillaFaninLondon said: Yeah I understand these things can be complicated, it’s just the ongoing nature of it that’s frustrating. It will all come out in the end, but I share your frustration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Only turned 24 aswell so it can't be an age issue either. Odd one as Traore will probably have to wait a few more days for his visa so not sure we'll see him at Fulham either. Would've been good to have a new wide player + Watkins up and running for the first two games. I didn’t realise we had to wait for Traoré too, thought his visa was already done but just needed to be registered. It’s certainly not ideal but let’s hope it doesn’t affect our results in those first two games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trickster Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I don't think any of us have a clue whether it's the payment structure that's a problem or not tbh. There's been 'developments' in this saga without there being actual developments. I've no doubt this is complicated but bar knowing vague movements in the transfer, I certainly don't think we know info like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted September 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Trickster said: I don't think any of us have a clue whether it's the payment structure that's a problem or not tbh. There's been 'developments' in this saga without there being actual developments. I've no doubt this is complicated but bar knowing vague movements in the transfer, I certainly don't think we know info like that. Exactly, The whole saga seems a bit fishy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, VillaChris said: What's the actual problem with the fee? I thought Bremen wanted about 18m? That's actually quite cheap in modern times for a relative proven top 5 league international final third player. We paid 2 million less for an unproven top level RB this summer. Even if they want 25m we pretty much paid that for Wesley last summer. I still think it's more the player undecided although surely he knows by now Leipzig don't want him and staying at Bremen dosen't seem that appealing as judging by their result they'll be in another relegation battle whereas we're more of an unknown. Why do you think they only want £18 million? Edited September 20, 2020 by Rolta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted September 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Rolta said: Why do you think they only want £18 million? I would hazard a guess it’s mid 20s at the least 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonVillan Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I noticed this posted on YouTube a few days ago. Anyone know any German? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Exactly, The whole saga seems a bit fishy Now you’ve gone and said the f word. You cod have said anything but you haddock to mention the unmentionable. Hopefully nobody’s noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Now you’ve gone and said the f word. You cod have said anything but you haddock to mention the unmentionable. Hopefully nobody’s noticed. In this plaice, everyone notices 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, CarryOnVilla said: AV wants to pay it in instalments, to help keep costs under the FFP limit. Can we stop this bollocks because it's not at all how it FFP works. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 And the beat goes on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Just now, Awol said: And the beat goes on. Exactly what I thought the situation is. We're in pole position, he's happy to come but Werder are trying to get a better deal elsewhere if they can. They can't keep looking forever though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmik Debris Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, CarryOnVilla said: It’s not the fee that’s the issue. it’s the payment structure. WB wants all/most of the money up front. Because they’re skint right now, in this very moment. AV wants to pay it in instalments, to help keep costs under the FFP limit. So they have to sort it out one way or another its called negotiations, it takes time. How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted September 20, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2020 (edited) Clearly misses his mate Marv Edited September 20, 2020 by villan-scott 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Surely we'll see some kind of progress this week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Awol said: And the beat goes on. This guy has gone from saying it will be 2-3 weeks to a few days and now implying it will be done a week after he posted the first tweet. He must have some form of dementia or isn't as close to the deal as he wants us to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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