Popular Post Tom13 Posted April 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, tinker said: You have a very nostalgic view over Benteke, he scored 43 over 3 seasons, including penalties, Ollies scored 39 over 3 seasons (no penalties) and still has some games to go for his 3rd season. Ollie plays a high press game , Benteke was a good striker but he never added that to his game, he would not get in this team even in his prime. Ollie is a better forward player and I watched Benteke from the very beginning. Awful comparison going off 'seasons'. In PL for Villa: Benteke: 1 goal every 174 minutes Watkins: 1 goal every 225 minutes Ollie is not a better forward player than Benteke at his peak. Benteke was special for us, of course he'd get in this team. Edited April 19, 2023 by Tom13 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_1989 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Awful comparison going off 'seasons'. In PL: Benteke: 1 goal every 174 minutes Watkins: 1 goal every 225 minutes Ollie is not a better forward player than Benteke at his peak. Benteke was special for us, of course he'd get in this team. Recency bias - Benteke was special!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Pure talent Benteke but the hunger and desire to keep learning will make Watkins a much better striker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 You couldn’t pin your hat on Ollie dragging the team to a scrappy win like you could with Benteke, but he’s probably a “better team player”. Some of the things Benteke did with us were unreal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, PaulC said: Pure talent Benteke but the hunger and desire to keep learning will make Watkins a much better striker. 'Much better striker' than prime Benteke? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Tom13 said: 'Much better striker' than prime Benteke? Really? Allround yes. Benteke was great first season for us but never developed as a player. Seemed to lack that desire that Watkins has. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretVillaScout Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Lets judge Watkins next season. He needs to keep this form up throughout a full season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, PaulC said: Allround yes. Benteke was great first season for us but never developed as a player. Seemed to lack that desire that Watkins has. Watkins will never be 'much better' than peak Benteke, and that's no slight on Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tom13 said: Watkins will never be 'much better' than peak Benteke, and that's no slight on Watkins. Any chance of the lottery numbers for this Saturday? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 22 minutes ago, PaulC said: Allround yes. Benteke was great first season for us but never developed as a player. Seemed to lack that desire that Watkins has. Nothing about lacking desire. He just got injured and was never the same after. Benteke made the game look so easy, which is possibly mistaken for lacking desire. He probably wouldn't press as much as Watkins, very few strikers so, but as an all round forward I'd happily have Tekkers in the starting line up, although I'd be playing him alongside Watkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 On 08/04/2023 at 17:20, Pinebro said: Another double figures season for the unprolific striker. I think it proves to all of us........played right v played wrong ,can mean the world of difference to a player. sometimes, less is more, and that is what's happening to Ollie. He is being asked to be clinical striker, not a water carrier.....thats the genius of his manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Nothing about lacking desire. He just got injured and was never the same after. Benteke made the game look so easy, which is possibly mistaken for lacking desire. He probably wouldn't press as much as Watkins, very few strikers so, but as an all round forward I'd happily have Tekkers in the starting line up, although I'd be playing him alongside Watkins. Benteke didn’t play on the shoulders of defenders either, although he more readily took players on (possibly because he was so strong that they’d bounce off him). The game Watkins had against Newcastle, Benteke just wouldn’t have had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Nothing about lacking desire. He just got injured and was never the same after. Benteke made the game look so easy, which is possibly mistaken for lacking desire. He probably wouldn't press as much as Watkins, very few strikers so, but as an all round forward I'd happily have Tekkers in the starting line up, although I'd be playing him alongside Watkins. different qualities for me, but Klopp would have Ollie tomorrow, but didn't fancy Benteke. Both did/are doing well for us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 The one thing I will say in favour of Watkins in the him vs Benteke debate is this - if he maintains his current form, he's probably the one the absolute top teams would prefer to have in their team (even if most other teams would find Benteke more useful). Watkins is exceptional at pressing and (currently) can finish well too. He's not much of a creator, but if you've got world-class attackers on the pitch then you'd probably be fine with that. Benteke's extra ability to create goals might be a little redundant if you had, say, KDB and Grealish and Alvarez all around him, so Watkins' pressing and engine would be more valuable to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jono62 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Come on now, both were awful compared to the mighty Bosko Balaban. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: The one thing I will say in favour of Watkins in the him vs Benteke debate is this - if he maintains his current form, he's probably the one the absolute top teams would prefer to have in their team (even if most other teams would find Benteke more useful). Watkins is exceptional at pressing and (currently) can finish well too. He's not much of a creator, but if you've got world-class attackers on the pitch then you'd probably be fine with that. Benteke's extra ability to create goals might be a little redundant if you had, say, KDB and Grealish and Alvarez all around him, so Watkins' pressing and engine would be more valuable to them. He created our first goal against the 'mighty Newcastle' with arguably the best headed assist I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, bobzy said: You couldn’t pin your hat on Ollie dragging the team to a scrappy win like you could with Benteke, but he’s probably a “better team player”. Some of the things Benteke did with us were unreal Ollie is largely responsible for this recent runs we are on. He is probably one who some people won't truly appreciate until he is injured or leaves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 The Ollie v Benteke debate is moot though because both would be starting for us in this system. Benteke central and Ollie in the ‘Bailey’ role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Apples and oranges. both taste great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: The Ollie v Benteke debate is moot though because both would be starting for us in this system. Benteke central and Ollie in the ‘Bailey’ role. It's great we can have these discussions now about Ollie, shows how important he is to the team, because at one point if we had got a decent bid from another team, I would have been happy enough to sell him. He's now invaluable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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