est1874 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Paulie said: Watkins is a player who’s game relies on his pace and pressing, not his technical ability or finishing. I’d rather sell too early than too late. Once his legs go the drop off will be quick… now, ollie seems to take great care of his body so I can’t see him having a gabby type drop off… but he’s put miles on his legs the last few seasons. selling for 40-50m opens you up to comfortably spend into that 60-80m bracket of striker… we have Ings and Archer for cover until we get the move made. it makes sense to me. Really good point this. He's already limited to me, but his deterioration will be rapid and dramatic. Edited May 12, 2022 by est1874 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turvontour Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 13 hours ago, Paulie said: Watkins is a player who’s game relies on his pace and pressing, not his technical ability or finishing. I’d rather sell too early than too late. Once his legs go the drop off will be quick… now, ollie seems to take great care of his body so I can’t see him having a gabby type drop off… but he’s put miles on his legs the last few seasons. selling for 40-50m opens you up to comfortably spend into that 60-80m bracket of striker… we have Ings and Archer for cover until we get the move made. it makes sense to me. It's a great point, I still see him as young in my head, but he turns 27 later this year. He's as good as hes going to be and in a few years that pressing and energy will likely wane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: I mean, that's just how the transfer market game is played. Everyone's looking for the best value for money deal out there and there are winners and losers everywhere. Often for one side to win, the other side has to be wrong with their valuation. Which happens quite often. Historically how often would you say we have been the winner when we have sold one of our first team to someone above us in the table for big money? I am not actually that against us selling him - key thing is I guess having someone identified in advance who we want to bring in. Edited May 12, 2022 by Adam2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Historically how often would you say we have been the winner when we have sold one of our first team to someone above us in the table for big money? I am not actually that against us selling him - key thing is I guess having someone identified in advance who we want to bring in. Grealish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Historically how often would you say we have been the winner when we have sold one of our first team to someone above us in the table for big money? I am not actually that against us selling him - key thing is I guess having someone identified in advance who we want to bring in. Its hard to say because we don't know how that player would've fared had he remained with us. Jack Grealish for example doesn't look anywhere near a 100 million pound player right now and if he had this form and continued with us, we'd probably be in a worse position this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 2 hours ago, tinker said: Klopp will be all over him at £50m Given their front line, Ollie would get less games than Origi does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted May 12, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) I don't think i'd be selling him this summer tbh. Him and Ings are finally looking like they have formed a decent partnership and there's too many other areas that need looking at before we disrupt this new partnership. EDIT: Obviously if we could convince a player of the calibre of Nunez to sign for us then we should obviously sell him but that ain't happening really. Edited May 12, 2022 by PieFacE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 3 hours ago, nick76 said: Given their front line, Ollie would get less games than Origi does Origi would be a good replacement actually… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Adam2003 said: Origi would be a good replacement actually… Addition perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Just now, Adam2003 said: Origi would be a good replacement actually… Never really thought much of him. Got a few incredibly important goals for Liverpool but just never seen much in him even when we were linked with him a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 minute ago, osmark86 said: Addition perhaps? AC Milan bound isn’t he? So they see a lot in him that I never saw but that’s why I’m a fan and not recruiting for any club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Just now, nick76 said: AC Milan bound isn’t he? So they see a lot in him that I never saw but that’s why I’m a fan and not recruiting for any club Oh well I suppose that's a train that's passed then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 I thinks its only Kane and Vardy are the only other English players to have scored 10 or more premier league goals in the last 2 seasons. One advantage for Ollie is that he rarely gets injured. He will give you 30 plus games and probably 10-15 goals a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: I thinks its only Kane and Vardy are the only other English players to have scored 10 or more premier league goals in the last 2 seasons. One advantage for Ollie is that he rarely gets injured. He will give you 30 plus games and probably 10-15 goals a season. I'm sure there is more than that? Sterling is surely in double figures every season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 7 hours ago, tinker said: Klopp will be all over him at £50m and Arsenal as well. In an alternate universe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, duke313 said: I'm sure there is more than that? Sterling is surely in double figures every season? This season - Bowen, Watkins, Smith Rowe, Saka, Mount, Sterling, Vardy, Toney, Kane and Vardy have all hit double figures in the league. Hardly some elite club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 And yeah Sterling has hit double figures this season and last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Tom13 said: This season - Bowen, Watkins, Smith Rowe, Saka, Mount, Sterling, Vardy, Toney, Kane and Vardy have all hit double figures in the league. Hardly some elite club. Interesting list. Cheers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 Vardy must be due a trip to the glue factory anytime soon , so I could see Watkins going to Leicester as his replacement , similar sort of workhorse style amusingly , my West Ham friends seem to think he'd be going to West Ham to be backup to Antonio .. backup to a shit Marlon Harewood (as I like to refer to him as ) .. yeah , that's not happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Adam2003 said: Historically how often would you say we have been the winner when we have sold one of our first team to someone above us in the table for big money? I am not actually that against us selling him - key thing is I guess having someone identified in advance who we want to bring in. It was different. We were forced to sell: Barry, Milner, Downing, Young, Delph, Benteke and Grealish. But for Watkins, we actually like the thought of him being sold because of how limited he is. It’s only Martinez that would be on the same caliber of the ones up. Other than that you have Cash, Luiz, Konsa, McGinn, Watkins, Buendia and Bailey. All we might lose, some we might be gutted but no one would be taken without our choice. It’s the likes of Chuck who have the potential to be a new Grealish or so that we have a fear to lose. And most likely it’s because of not playing rather any other thing. In another word, sell Watkins and we already have a better all round striker in Ings. This is the only summer that we can sell him for more than 40m. We might be losing Luiz. If both can get us 60-70 then that would put us in a very good position without losing much quality (for me Luiz is quality but more of an 8, which we rarely yes. So we aren’t using his best abilities to lose it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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