tomav84 Posted March 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Zatman said: I thought was his best game of the season. Great goal but was more of a team player with Ings and was doing what he did last season again by being a nuisance Im a Gerrard critic but apparently he sat down with Ings and Watkins before Brighton and apparently told them to grow up and its paying off yes he sat down and said he had no interest in rotating them but this bit just sounds like you've decided to add a bit of drama for the sake of it. unless you're ITK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Greenfly Posted March 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 6, 2022 11 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: How does he go from, not being able to trap a ball for a run of games, and looking like he has next to no football brain, to elegantly finishing finesse shots and one touch while running finishes, like a world beater ? Our players are bipolar AF! He's proven time and time again that he's capable of it. I think we as fans lose sight of how difficult football at this level is. Literally every single player in this league, even at teams like Norwich and Watford, are brilliant players. They wouldn't be PL otherwise. But when compared to each other, they can look absolute pants because they're all operating at such a high level. In conclusion, Ollie is not and never was crap. He just wasn't quite on it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 26 minutes ago, Greenfly said: He's proven time and time again that he's capable of it. I think we as fans lose sight of how difficult football at this level is. Literally every single player in this league, even at teams like Norwich and Watford, are brilliant players. They wouldn't be PL otherwise. But when compared to each other, they can look absolute pants because they're all operating at such a high level. In conclusion, Ollie is not and never was crap. He just wasn't quite on it. True. I think the panic and frustration, usually sets in, when poor form, coincides with a poor run of results for us, and worry that we are heading in the wrong direction. If he was in a run of poor form, but we were winning regardless, I think people would have been more patient and forgiving. Similar to McGinn, who does my bloody head in for a run of 4 - 5 games, then every now and then, turns into the Scottish Steven Gerrard in his prime. Lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 56 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: Gerrard said he had sat down with Watkins and Ings for a talk before the Brighton game because he wanted to be able to play them both. Cool beans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 4 hours ago, avfcDJ said: Is that for real? I suspect the talk was more tactical/motivational than ‘grow up’ but he did say he had a sit down with them both about how they could work better as a partnership. Since which time we have scored 6 in 2 games… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 35 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: I suspect the talk was more tactical/motivational than ‘grow up’ but he did say he had a sit down with them both about how they could work better as a partnership. Since which time we have scored 6 in 2 games… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised of there was a hint of 'grow up' in there. Probably put in a way that focused on and emphasised professionalism and the fact that SG was sitting them down to tell them he sees them both as starters together if they can show his faith justified. All the success of recent aside, we were not at our best and the Ings Watkins duo was raising doubts, and I'm not sure that was purely among fans. In a new setup I think Watkins in particular may have had a slight mental approach of needing to prove himself superior in order to keep his starting spot. Ings to a lesser degree if at all, but frustration was certainly evident on field when things weren't happening like they are at the moment. Admittedly this is for the most part pure guess work and the little insight I have is based on my observations and nothing more. Without wanting to make it a soap opera drama I think SG may well have said pull your heads in and learn to work together, and we've got you both in mind for our system and tactics for the here and now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 5 hours ago, tomav84 said: yes he sat down and said he had no interest in rotating them but this bit just sounds like you've decided to add a bit of drama for the sake of it. unless you're ITK? I am Gerrard Its obvious that was the issue as it seemed like Watkins was sulking. Noticeable in the last 2 games that they are trying to link up more and now we are benefitting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Thought Watkins was much more like his old self yesterday - competitive, creating chances and scoring. More of the same please Ollie! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, Brumstopdogs said: Thought Watkins was much more like his old self yesterday - competitive, creating chances and scoring. More of the same please Ollie! Yep he bullied the centre back all game even in the air. Think it was Bednarek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Much much better. Keep it up Ollie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Ollie was excellent and he should have had two assists to his name as well, as the chances he made for Coutinho were fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 I’ve been his biggest critic this season but he would have had two assists as well as his goal had Coutinho not missed two great chances. I really hope he has turned a corner and makes me look a right lemon for criticising him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 I’ve been critic so far. But last game he made me wrong, hope it may continue. It was his best game since long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nick76 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Just trying to think who the other top English strikers are as that sounds an impressive stat but is it? Outside of Kane, Vardy and Ollie Tammy doesn’t count because he’s overseas but has 19 total league goals for part player at Chelsea and now full at Roma, in 49 combined league appearances to Ollie’s 21 in 60 appearances. Then there is discussion on minutes, small sub appearances, playing out wide and also strength of team played for. Calvert-Lewin, 19 league goals in 41 appearances Danny Ings, 17 league goals in 49 appearances Then you have others like Bamford and co. I think this stat is fairly standard to be honest but framed very positively. It would be interesting on goals per minute because appearances can be deceptive. We just don’t have the depth in quality English strikers really, we (Villa) just have two of the best ones around in Ollie and Danny. Just as a comparison though, Mo Salah has 41 league goals in the same period! Edited March 7, 2022 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted March 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 7, 2022 25 minutes ago, nick76 said: Just trying to think who the other top English strikers are as that sounds an impressive stat but is it? Outside of Kane, Vardy and Ollie Tammy doesn’t count because he’s overseas but has 19 total league goals for part player at Chelsea and now full at Roma, in 49 combined league appearances to Ollie’s 21 in 60 appearances. Then there is discussion on minutes, small sub appearances, playing out wide and also strength of team played for. Calvert-Lewin, 19 league goals in 41 appearances Danny Ings, 17 league goals in 49 appearances Then you have others like Bamford and co. I think this stat is fairly standard to be honest but framed very positively. It would be interesting on goals per minute because appearances can be deceptive. We just don’t have the depth in quality English strikers really, we (Villa) just have two of the best ones around in Ollie and Danny. Just as a comparison though, Mo Salah has 41 league goals in the same period! Maybe throw Callum Wilson into the mix as well. A good English goal scorer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 32 minutes ago, villan-scott said: Maybe throw Callum Wilson into the mix as well. A good English goal scorer. 18 goals in 41 appearances 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 16 hours ago, nick76 said: Just trying to think who the other top English strikers are as that sounds an impressive stat but is it? Outside of Kane, Vardy and Ollie Tammy doesn’t count because he’s overseas but has 19 total league goals for part player at Chelsea and now full at Roma, in 49 combined league appearances to Ollie’s 21 in 60 appearances. Then there is discussion on minutes, small sub appearances, playing out wide and also strength of team played for. Calvert-Lewin, 19 league goals in 41 appearances Danny Ings, 17 league goals in 49 appearances Then you have others like Bamford and co. I think this stat is fairly standard to be honest but framed very positively. It would be interesting on goals per minute because appearances can be deceptive. We just don’t have the depth in quality English strikers really, we (Villa) just have two of the best ones around in Ollie and Danny. Just as a comparison though, Mo Salah has 41 league goals in the same period! Agree with your post mate but don't compare with Salah who firstly has been the best in the world for 6 months now and plays for the second highest scoring team in Europe. Watkins would likely have 30+ goals in that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted March 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8, 2022 His last two goals have been **** top class. Pure filth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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