PaulC Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 2 hours ago, Mic09 said: is Kane overrated? Sure, he is a good striker, scored lots of goals, but a demigod that is often portrayed by the media? a 100m striker? Heck no. I think he's overrated by Southgate as he will never drop him. His numbers are fantastic. Great finisher but I wouid rate Rooney better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) 9 hours ago, PaulC said: Sorry I disagree. I think he was underrated as he played his whole career at an unfashionable club he never got the recognition by England his talent merited. Terrific player imo but didn't track back or tackle. He scored over 20 league goals in a season 3 times and he wasn't even a striker. We've not had one player do that in 43 years He stood out at Southampton, which seemed the extent of his ambition. I think, maybe, he lacked the self - confidence to go to a bigger club. As for England, arguably one of the worse international debuts I've witnessed. That was with Hoddle at the helm. He had similar attributes to Hoddle, although not quite the elegance, and certainly not as good looking. Another Robin Friday, just minus the madness. Edited June 24 by sheepyvillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 5 hours ago, PaulC said: I think he's overrated by Southgate as he will never drop him. His numbers are fantastic. Great finisher but I wouid rate Rooney better myself. As a striker, the goals, at the level he's scored them, speak for themselves. In that sense, he's not overrated. I do slightly question his mentality at international level. I remember him inexplicably taking corners against Iceland in Euros16 and also the penalty miss against France. He choked big - time in that one. I don't see him being able to inspire when things aren't going England's way. When England are struggling, he looks lost for answers. It begs the question, why is he skipper? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 8 hours ago, Mic09 said: is Kane overrated? Sure, he is a good striker, scored lots of goals, but a demigod that is often portrayed by the media? a 100m striker? Heck no. I think he has now reached Ronaldo territory in that he will still guarantee goals but its not for the good of the team at this stage. Not just England but Bayern as well Could argue Spurs became a better team when he left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Dog Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Kane isn't overrated, but he's not a skipper and he I sometimes feel like he needs more tactical coaching, not technical, he's a fantastic footballer, but I feel like he does his own thing very much to the jeopardy of the team. He's a great finisher, he's a great passer of the ball, and that saves him from a lot of criticism, but sometimes I think he's over doing it, trying too hard, not thinking straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said: He stood out at Southampton, which seemed the extent of his ambition. I think, maybe, he lacked the self - confidence to go to a bigger club. As for England, arguably one of the worse international debuts I've witnessed. That was with Hoddle at the helm. He had similar attributes to Hoddle, although not quite the elegance, and certainly not as good looking. Another Robin Friday, just minus the madness. Better shot than Hoddle though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted June 25 Popular Post Share Posted June 25 Virgil Van Dijk They try and make out he's Bobby Moore, or Franz Beckenbauer. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Mbappe watching this. No doubt he has the talent, but he plays when he wants and that's not how Messi or Ronaldo used to perform at their peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, Xela said: Virgil Van Dijk They try and make out he's Bobby Moore, or Franz Beckenbauer. Yep, even the commentary team just after half time said “you can bet Van Dijk has had a go at the team at half time”. Can you? Doesn’t strike me as this inspirational leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Le Tissier was a fat lazy rocket polisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 14 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Mbappe watching this. No doubt he has the talent, but he plays when he wants and that's not how Messi or Ronaldo used to perform at their peak. He's not overrated, he's top tier world class but off the back of arguably the 2 greatest players ever it's a drop back down to "normal" 18 minutes ago, Xela said: Virgil Van Dijk They try and make out he's Bobby Moore, or Franz Beckenbauer. Or nemanja vidic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancvillan Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 19 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Le Tissier was a fat lazy rocket polisher That may be true, but I don't think a player with zero profile outside of the UK is in contention for most overrated player of all time. Watching Le Tissier highlights is like hearing The Life of Riley - instantly takes me back to my childhood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, mikeyp102 said: Yep, even the commentary team just after half time said “you can bet Van Dijk has had a go at the team at half time”. Can you? Doesn’t strike me as this inspirational leader Van der Vaart has called him a disgraceful captain and cant disagree. Always finger pointing when he is error prone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 I think Mbappe is overrated. If he didn't have that blistering pace he'd be playing for Baguette FC in the French 5th Division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, UpTheVilla26 said: I think Mbappe is overrated. If he didn't have that blistering pace he'd be playing for Baguette FC in the French 5th Division. Cant agree. Adama Traore has all the pace in the world and has about 10 career goals Mbappe has 350 goals at 25 years old 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 On 21/06/2024 at 12:34, Genie said: Over 1,000 total goals including 140 in the Champions League and 130 at international level. Anyone suggesting someone of that calibre is overrated needs warning points. He's not the best player of all time, not even close. Yet he's often touted to be, hence overrated. Thank God there was another player playing at the exact same time as him that eclipsed him right till the end as if to drive the point home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Just now, Keyblade said: He's not the best player of all time, not even close. Yet he's often touted to be, hence overrated. Thank God there was another player playing at the exact same time as him that eclipsed him right till the end as if to drive the point home. It’s often said that putting the ball in the net consistently is the hardest job in football, and it’s why they get paid the most money. Someone who has done it to such incredible levels over so many years, in different countries, at the highest levels is absolutely part of the conversation. If he came out near but not quite at the top then he’s still one of the best, and talk of being over rated is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 13 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Le Tissier was a fat lazy rocket polisher But look at his goal scoring record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 On 24/06/2024 at 19:20, sheepyvillian said: He stood out at Southampton, which seemed the extent of his ambition. I think, maybe, he lacked the self - confidence to go to a bigger club. He was a Saints fan who wanted to stay there. Funny isn't it, when its our club we'd love someone turning down the elite to stick with us, and it'd be disloyal for them to bugger off, but when it's someone else it's a lack of ambition 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 i genuinely cant remember if he was a good player or if he just scored good goals that made highlight reels also scored a lot of penalties so if you take them away he's maybe a 1 in 4 striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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