VillaChris Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 11/01/2019 at 08:23, villa4europe said: 1) decline of tennis in general, he's a superstar in a sport that's rammed down our throats 2) he's a miserable **** 1st one is interesting comment, decline of tennis? This has been golden age compared to 90s and early part of 00s imo. Obviously early 80s with Borg and McEnroe was pretty cool period aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Not sure it has declined, but not clear to me it's in a better state. The courts are slower than ever, that combined with technical changes (e.g. much larger racket heads) makes for a duller game that has allowed hackers to flourish. Personally I find 20+ shot rallies boring, it was a more entertaining game when the points were shorter. Players like Djokovic, Nadal and Murray were always extremely dull to me. Edited January 12, 2019 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I have to say, although i’m no Murray fan I think he can be proud of his achievements within the game. arguably he’s competed in an era of tennis containing some of the very best of all time, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic and held his own and making World No.1 sure, he hasn’t won the silverware compared to the other three which just shows what a tough competition men’s tennis has been during his career. Its not going to be the end of a career he wanted but that’s something hopefully he’ll come to terms with overtime. Saying all that, the typical media hyperbole surrounding his imminent retirement is nauseating but that’s not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Not sure it has declined, but not clear to me it's in a better state. The courts are slower than ever, that combined with technical changes (e.g. much larger racket heads) makes for a duller game that has allowed hackers to flourish. Personally I find 20+ shot rallies boring, it was a more entertaining game when the points were shorter. Players like Djokovic, Nadal and Murray were always extremely dull to me. Don’t agree, so glad we left the period of ‘big serve’ domination a la Stich, Sampras and Ivanisovic - that was dull. at least there’s rallies now with some variety of shots (depending on court surface) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Don’t agree, so glad we left the period of ‘big serve’ domination a la Stich, Sampras and Ivanisovic - that was dull. at least there’s rallies now with some variety of shots (depending on court surface) Most rallies are wars of attrition rather than having variety, most 'top' players hit it straight back to the opponent. The beauty of Federer is his winner first mentality. We don't necessarily have to go back to big serve domination, but simply making the courts faster (as they used to be) would reduce the length of rallies for the better IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Most rallies are wars of attrition rather than having variety, most 'top' players hit it straight back to the opponent. The beauty of Federer is his winner first mentality. We don't necessarily have to go back to big serve domination, but simply making the courts faster (as they used to be) would reduce the length of rallies for the better IMO. Yes, some rallies are baseline to baseline which can be tedious but at they’re playing tennis instead of just waiting for their turn to serve to win a point. Federer is the greatest of all time and has the ability to pick off his opponents as when he chooses, with the added ability of multiple styles of play to rely upon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Not sure it has declined, but not clear to me it's in a better state. The courts are slower than ever, that combined with technical changes (e.g. much larger racket heads) makes for a duller game that has allowed hackers to flourish. Personally I find 20+ shot rallies boring, it was a more entertaining game when the points were shorter. Players like Djokovic, Nadal and Murray were always extremely dull to me. I quite like the long rallies tbh. Shows the athleticism, defence, concentration and eventually offence when a Nadal or Federer goes for a briliant down the line winner. Two servebots just whacking down aces all the time at Wimbledon, I find that boring tbh unless one of them is a great volleyer. Tennis ultimately comes down to match ups. Nole-Murray had some brilliant games but also a fair few boring finals when it's felt like a tennis ball between two brick walls. Some of the best finals I've seen in recent years were between Djokovic and Wawrinka. That French open final when Stan was just endlessly hitting backhands down the line was beautiful to watch. Federer-Nadal match up speaks for itself and will still be talked about in 50 years such is the legacy both will leave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Actually this year's Wimbledon semi final line up good example of different styles: Nadal-Djokovic Anderson-John Isner Two hackers waiting for opponent to make a mistake v two players who'd win a point after 1-3 shots... After 5 hours of watching both can't say it was a difficult decision over which match I wanted to go on and on and the other I was desperate to finish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, VillaChris said: 1st one is interesting comment, decline of tennis? This has been golden age compared to 90s and early part of 00s imo. Obviously early 80s with Borg and McEnroe was pretty cool period aswell. more people watched the womens final than the mens last year (world cup final was on the night) the main decline is america, theres a huge slump in america both in terms of viewing figures and participants (mainly because they havent had a good male player since roddick) they need a new sampras / agassi, which ironically would point at the 90s being the golden age for americans what tennis needs is the current 4 to retire and the 2020s to be dominated by an american playing a chinese for every grand slam... Edited January 12, 2019 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Massive props to his achievements but I find djokovic so dull. Not sure why either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I don't he's brought tennis to a new level. Today he was so good he made Nadal look average. 15 slams now could still surpass Federer but even if he doesn't I think he's the best tennis player I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Boring hackers, neither anywhere near Federer's class. Djokovic is a pathetic drugs cheat as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Boring hackers, neither anywhere near Federer's class. Djokovic is a pathetic drugs cheat as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 That's a bit libellous isn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Federer is an absolute phenom. Not played at RG since 2015, nearly 38 and just waltzed into the 4th round without dropping a set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 No mentions for Wimbledon yet? That Konta has got lovely legs, but she's shit at tennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 She’s not that bad. Can’t see beyond Djokovic winning the men’s again. Women’s is open. Clare balding is as bad as ever. Mistake after mistake, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 12 hours ago, PaulC said: She’s not that bad. Can’t see beyond Djokovic winning the men’s again. Women’s is open. Clare balding is as bad as ever. Mistake after mistake, Yeah I said that after she lost the first set, I'm no expert that's for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Yes that’s the women’s game for you right now. Given up predicting it. I expect halep to beat the 15 year old but who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Lump it all on Goffin to get to the final and win it out. Men's game needs a new grand slam winner. Desperately dull. Goffin playing well. Got to the final at Halle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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