Vive_La_Villa Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 7 hours ago, choffer said: There’s a lot of it about, unfortunately. Yeh was trying to discuss with somebody I know over whatsapp yesterday. Apparently there is no virus. Increase in hospitals admission is due to 5g or pollution (something she is going to research further). Doctors and Nurses are making the situation worse. Also if I did my research I would learn the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Why is it with tin foil hat people they fall back on do some research. Like they have done any critical research. Mentalists. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 A (used to be) good colleague of mine is doing the tin foil hat thing on pretty much every article about covid on facebook. It's gotten so far that I think all his friends have muted him. He also started doing the same on Black Lives Matters related content so he's pretty much come out as a conspiracy-loving, racist tin foil hat weirdo to everyone in his circle, including family. I don't get it.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, magnkarl said: A (used to be) good colleague of mine is doing the tin foil hat thing on pretty much every article about covid on facebook. It's gotten so far that I think all his friends have muted him. He also started doing the same on Black Lives Matters related content so he's pretty much come out as a conspiracy-loving, racist tin foil hat weirdo to everyone in his circle, including family. I don't get it.. It’s a lot more comforting to believe there is some sort of planning in all this. The reality, that we live in unknown chaos and no one knows how it will turn out, can be difficult to stomach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Question, should Russia (got there own + Novichock debacle) & China (started Covid) get the vaccine ? If they had a vaccine how would they treat the West with it also if it was all reversed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 hours ago, magnkarl said: A (used to be) good colleague of mine is doing the tin foil hat thing on pretty much every article about covid on facebook. It's gotten so far that I think all his friends have muted him. He also started doing the same on Black Lives Matters related content so he's pretty much come out as a conspiracy-loving, racist tin foil hat weirdo to everyone in his circle, including family. I don't get it.. I think everyone has a few of those. I mentioned it a few weeks ago, I basically walked out of a restaurant when my mate was talking utter horseshite (I'd finished my pudding so it didn't quite have the impact it could have), the final straw was when he moved on to the 'there's a cure for cancer, it's just they make too much money from the disease to release it'. **** idiots, all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Question, should Russia (got there own + Novichock debacle) & China (started Covid) get the vaccine ? If they had a vaccine how would they treat the West with it also if it was all reversed ? I suggested on here a while ago that China could/should pay top dollar if they wanted a UK developed vaccine. On the basis that they caused the virus and subsequent crash of the worldwide economy and they have enormous cash reserves to fund it. I think I was in the minority with that view. I don’t think they’d us any favours if the roles were reversed. It would be interesting to know if any PPE or other items we need as a result that comes from China is sold at a favourable rate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Question, should Russia (got there own + Novichock debacle) & China (started Covid) get the vaccine ? If they want to buy it, then yes? Why would it be anything more than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 We’re probably not on any rush to buy their vaccine Quote The Brazilian clinical trial for a Chinese Covid-19 vaccine has been suspended after health authorities reported a "severe adverse" incident. Brazilian health regulator Anvisa said the incident took place on 29 October, but did not give further details. The CoronaVac vaccine, developed by the Chinese firm Sinovac Biotech, is one of several in final-stage testing globally. Sinovac says it is "confident in the safety of the vaccine". The firm has already been using it to immunise thousands of people at home in an emergency use programme. Brazil has been one of the countries worst affected by coronavirus, recording more than 5.6m confirmed cases - the third highest tally in the world after the US and India - and nearly 163,000 deaths so far, according to data collated by Johns Hopkins University. Why was the trial halted? On Monday Anvisa said it had "ruled to interrupt the clinical trial of the CoronaVac vaccine after a serious adverse incident". It did not reveal what happened, nor where it took place. Late-stage trials for the Sinovac vaccine are also being conducted in Indonesia and Turkey, but neither of these countries have announced a suspension. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: If they want to buy it, then yes? Why would it be anything more than that? It's just hypothetical, but if either of them had it I doubt they would sell it to the west in a fair way. They both want Global dominance and will even kill their own people to try and get it. I don't, Russia can literally do what it likes to who or what it likes without repercussions. I suppose it doesn't matter so much with them as they have their own vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Would we block them having a vaccine but keep the airports and trade routes open? That would be a good compromise... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Get Xi to apologise first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, coda said: Get Xi to apologise first. What should he be apologising for exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dodgyknees Posted November 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2020 Why should innocent Chinese people suffer? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, bickster said: What should he be apologising for exactly? Well, he could apologise for Isolating Wuhan province within China, but leaving International travel from and to Wuhan open - such that the virus couldn't spread inside China (outside of Wuhan) but could and would spread internationally. That would be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, blandy said: Well, he could apologise for Isolating Wuhan province within China, but leaving International travel from and to Wuhan open - such that the virus couldn't spread inside China (outside of Wuhan) but could and would spread internationally. That would be a start. I think all governments that allowed flights into and out of Wuhan are equally culpable there. UK Govt included (I know, I know). In fact we did the Mercy quarantine flight / publicity stunt flight but were still allowing flights in from infected parts of China (and Europe for that matter). That's definitely a governments at both ends thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted November 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2020 Off the top of my head, I can only think of six main reasons why 'not giving the vaccine to China or Russia' is a terrible idea: #1 - It is immoral to use the health of a country's population as a cudgel against its government. For the same reason, there are eg exemptions on medical supplies being included in trade sanctions with Iran. This might arguably be even more true in the case of a populace that has no meaningful say in the governing of its country, by the way. #2 - Back at the start of this, in the spring, China did in fact export vast quantities of PPE and other medical supplies to the rest of the world, and mostly did not place bad faith export restrictions on them. #3 - If we're playing 'great power politics', surely it's a bad idea to piss off the rising superpower. #4 - We have a large economic relationship with these countries. It would be much better for people to be able to travel for work, study and business, rather than continuing isolation. #5 - There are a zillion issues, beginning but absolutely not ending with global warming, which require global cooperation to solve, and the best way to build a habit of glabal cooperation is by cooperating globally. #6 - If we're going to pick episodes from a country's history and use that as a justification for harming their populace, why aren't 'The Boxer Rebellion' or 'The Malay Emergency' or any of a hundred other ignominious episodes reasons other countries shouldn't provide us assistance when we need it. Apart from that - smashing idea 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted November 10, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2020 I would imagine one of the aims of a vaccine is ultimately to eradicate the disease, or at least hobble it as much as possible. Not giving a vaccine to some of the most populous countries in the planet would appear to be detrimental to that aim, for no benefit beyond spite. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, bickster said: What should he be apologising for exactly? For the craic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, bickster said: I think all governments that allowed flights into and out of Wuhan are equally culpable there. UK Govt included (I know, I know). In fact we did the Mercy quarantine flight / publicity stunt flight but were still allowing flights in from infected parts of China (and Europe for that matter). That's definitely a governments at both ends thing I won't argue with that. I think my point was China has handled this corollafungus really badly, less than honestly and inequitably. They were the ones that best knew the situation in Wuhan, and it was incumbent on their Gov't to act responsibly towards the world, accordingly. They didn't. Hence they have things to apologise for, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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