AVFCDAN Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 15 hours ago, darrenm said: My pivotchart We hit 0, errr, a week today.. Looks like the data for the 12th and 13th is quite incomplete. Normally, anything over 3 days is 'almost there' so you might find the next couple of days sounding quite high while they continue to backfill those days. If I take those 2 out, the trend goes back to 27/28th Feb, which I'd guess will be how it ends up. Expect Boris's announcement on the 22nd to be in jubilant tone that we're now under 200 deaths a day. It's currently about 300. Loving your charts mate, you should be on after Chris on the 22nd. It’s genuinely got me feeling positive for the first time in months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 17, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: Saw this earlier, made me laugh even though I dislike him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 Christ, there are some brave people out there https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56097088 Quote Covid-19: World's first human trials given green light in UK Healthy, young volunteers will be infected with coronavirus to test vaccines and treatments in the world's first Covid-19 "human challenge" study, which will take place in the UK. The study, which has received ethics approval, will start in the next few weeks and recruit 90 people aged 18-30. They will be exposed to the virus in a safe and controlled environment while medics monitor their health. Quote The trials will help scientists work out the smallest amount of coronavirus needed to cause infection, and how the body's immune system reacts to it. This will give doctors a better understanding of Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus, which will feed into the development of vaccines and treatments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, sidcow said: Christ, there are some brave people out there https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56097088 Must be a fair few quid being paid. A colleague of mine was due to do a flu virus trial like that (got cancelled because of Covid) and was getting paid £4k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I'd do it for the right amount, they're young, have presumably been screened for existing conditions, and have healthcare on standby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 If I was looking for work, I would be on that like a flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: If I was looking for work, I would be on that like a flash. Yeah, easy money. The colleague was saying that you stay at the place for 2 weeks on your own. You can take books and electronic devices etc but can’t leave your room at all. They bring your food and take it away. A bit like being in prison () but get a big ole chunk of money for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, Genie said: A bit like being in prison () but get a big ole chunk of money for it. So just like prison if they can't find where you hid it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Genie said: Must be a fair few quid being paid. A colleague of mine was due to do a flu virus trial like that (got cancelled because of Covid) and was getting paid £4k. I heard in radio they are not getting paid but getting compensation. That's all that was said whilst I caught the news. That's ridiculous, does compensation mean Gratis points or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, supermon said: I heard in radio they are not getting paid but getting compensation. That's all that was said whilst I caught the news. That's ridiculous, does compensation mean Gratis points or something? Probably a tax loophole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, supermon said: I heard in radio they are not getting paid but getting compensation. That's all that was said whilst I caught the news. That's ridiculous, does compensation mean Gratis points or something? BBC said they would be "paid for their time" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Reading about the Orthodox Jewish community in the USA getting decimated by Covid because they flaunt safety protocols. I wonder if they ask why God has abandoned them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 17, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, maqroll said: Reading about the Orthodox Jewish community in the USA getting decimated by Covid because they flaunt safety protocols. I wonder if they ask why God has abandoned them? They're used to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darrenm Posted February 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2021 Today's update if anyone's interested It's still tracking the same line. I normally disregard the last 2 days so this graph doesn't include figures from 16 and 17th. That uptick on the 15th shouldn't be anything to worry about because there's always variation between days. It's the trendline which is key. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 18, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 18, 2021 I've noticed that the steep reduction in new cases seems to be fattening out somewhat, unless it's just an oddity of the last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 How the beach 'super-spreader' myth can inform UK's future Covid response Quote They were images that seemed to define a hot, febrile, and dangerous summer: massed ranks of daytrippers swamping Britain’s beaches, making the most of the June sunshine after months of restrictions – and, some front pages suggested, creating an appalling risk of coronavirus infection. Eight months later, the headlines tell a different story: there was no real danger at all. According to Prof Mark Woolhouse, an epidemiologist at Edinburgh University who sits on the government’s SPI-M committee, the chance of a super-spreader event among the crowds that turned up from Bournemouth to Southend was minimal in theory – and nonexistent in practice. “Over the summer we were treated to all this on the television news, pictures of crowded beaches, and there was an outcry about this,” he told MPs. “There were no outbreaks linked to public beaches. There’s never been a Covid-19 outbreak linked to a beach, ever, anywhere in the world, to the best of my knowledge.” ... reality was never quite as apocalyptic as the telephoto lens pictures which appeared to show a sea of humanity all but on top of each other – in fact, for the most part, just a trick of perspective. Instead, some suggest, Woolhouse’s intervention is a reminder that the narrative propagated in parts of the media about the daytrippers had some of the qualities of a moral panic. ...more on link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, snowychap said: How the beach 'super-spreader' myth can inform UK's future Covid response It’s great news, but I think part of the issue of thousands flocking to the beaches was impact outside of them. The shops, food outlets, ice cream stalls, toilets, petrol stations etc. Does the study include all the peripheral interactions involved with people heading to the coast for the day, often a round trip of hundreds of miles? It’s probably still little risk of being a super spreading event just wondered if they’d delved fully into it... or just confirmed what we knew already that sitting in a spot with more than a couple of meters to other people is fine? Also, any breakout would unlikely occur in the location of the beach, it would be back at the home town of the people who came from all over to spend the day at the beach. I doubt many people who potentially caught Covid following a day at the beach stated that’s where they think they got it. Edited February 19, 2021 by Genie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Genie said: Does the study What 'study'? As per the article: Quote Woolhouse, for his part, has been taken by surprise by the interest in his comments – which he presumed to be a statement of a generally understood fact. “This is not a subtle picture,” he said. “The published studies were already quite clear at the time 44 minutes ago, Genie said: part of the issue of thousands flocking to the beaches was impact outside of them As per the article: Quote Nobody disputes that there were some possible knock-on risks during the heatwave, on crowded trains or overused toilets – and the traffic jams and litter the crowds brought had a very real effect on local residents’ quality of life. .. 44 minutes ago, Genie said: any breakout would unlikely occur in the location of the beach, it would be back at the home town of the people who came from all over to spend the day at the beach As per the article: Quote “We have known for some time that only about 10% of transmission events are linked to outdoor activities,” I.e. it's about linking an outbreak to a common location where people may have been and not simply to where they live - so it's not about asking people where they 'think' they may have acquired it. A point here is that yes, there are peripheral issues (some of which I raised myself last year in a discussion with @HanoiVillan) but that the simple event of people being outside even in large numbers is not something that has massive repercussions in terms of the spreading of this virus (or likely any other) unless people in those large numbers are in close proximity for a substantial amount of time in small groups. The real point is that, even after a year of this pandemic being around, people are still missing the picture about where our attention(s) should lie in order to reduce transmission of this and other viruses - workplaces, indoor spaces, places with no or poor ventilation, &c. and we should stop wringing our hands (and I may have been guilty of that myself, tbh) about people going outside in large numbers, stop getting so obsessed with people sanitising their sodding hands every thirty seconds, cleaning parcels or boxes delivered to your house, leaping back to stay 10 metres away (yes, hyperbole) from someone walking towards you and past you on a pavement, and on and on. Edited February 19, 2021 by snowychap 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Over here, from the weekend multiple people from 2 households can exercise outdoors together. If figures stay on the current trajectory, then lockdown basically finishes in 3 weeks time: y’all can leave the house, non-essential shops open, tourism open. All schools back 15th March. Pubs / nightclubs highly likely stay closed a bit longer. Edited February 19, 2021 by chrisp65 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Over here, from the weekend multiple people from 2 households can exercise outdoors together. If figures stay on the current trajectory, then lockdown basically finishes in 3 weeks time: y’all can leave the house, non-essential shops open, tourism open. All schools back 15th March. Pubs / nightclubs highly likely stay closed a bit longer. I expect it'll be similar in England with Johnson's address on Monday night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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