lapal_fan Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 18 hours ago, MCU said: Wasn’t funny the first time Sorry William x Rip to your grandma x 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, DeadlyDirk said: Let me rephrase.... It's seen in Royal circles that Standing down is not an option, as the one time it did happen back in the 50's it almost brought down the entire Monarchy. Happy? They said similar about the Pope. Given that these type of people control their own rules they can do whatever they want to do Btw King James II and VII of Scotland and Mary Queen of Scots both abdicated, the first by dropping a seal in the Thames and buggering off to France and the later was forced but it doesn't alter the fact that Edward VIII wasn't the only UK Crown abdication. Because of the Act of Settlement an abdication now requires an act of Parliament but nonetheless it's perfectly possible as we know already The not the done thing / constitutional crisis argument is quite frankly nonsense. If the Queen wanted to Abdicate 10 years ago, no one would really have batted an eyelid. The relevant Act of Parliament would have been drawn up and it would have been done. No constitutional crisis would have occurred. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted September 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2022 I'm dual national, and I have so much to say, but much of it is probably better left unsaid. Lots of mixed feelings about Elizabeth. Honestly find my fellow sycophantic Americans obsessed with royals nearly intolerable (mine is not the usual response here in the USA, by the way), and why share my deepest thoughts, as they would probably -- and perhaps deservedly so -- be met by the usual confused silence? But here are some: I think dual UK-US patriotic nationals, if they grasp history, can't fail to be deeply conflicted about Elizabeth Windsor and all she represents. I understand much better why Diana was a campy icon whose death felt devastating, as I lived in a very gay neighborhood when she died, and AIDS was still ravaging the community. That outpouring made so much sense. There aren't many Americans I know who truly adore Britain, as I do, but not because of kings and queens. I love and admire Britain''s intellectual, legal, artistic and industrial history. I do love King Alfred. I love the Magna Carta and William Morris and WH Auden -- and Aston Villa -- and Lyle's Golden. Syrup. I feel sympathy for poor George III. Prince William seems OK. Harry seems a bit forced. I can swear loyalty as a British subject, and I feel very patriotic about the UK, too, but I can't cope with shows like the Crown, the Queen, and the various Diana things, and feel there's something pretty repulsive about Americans hooked on such cack and royal news, tbh. I do understand my nonagenarian English dad's sentimental attachment to the Queen because she was so woven into the fabric of the British life he knew. Not sure what to say. The American part of me is more intellectually American than many of my fellow citizens here, and if you really understand America, you can never fully embrace anyone's royal family ever, I would hope. But as we've seen so many times, especially under Trumpism, many Americans no longer grasp where they came from, in the Enlightenment. I love what another British man, the Johnny Lydon of the 18th century, and who embraced America, had to say about the monarchy: Quote Kings succeed each other, not as rationals, but as animals. It signifies not what their mental or moral characters are. Can we then be surprised at the abject state of the human mind in monarchical countries, when the government itself is formed on such an abject levelling system? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: football cancelled, it really is a missed opportunity to celebrate her life. stadiums all around the country will be singing GSTQ GSTK, shirley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 39 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Now can someone share some juvenile memes please Sorry I used em all up in the Gresford thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, UpTheVilla26 said: Why do people cry over the death of someone they've never met? Honestly, I can't get my head around it. Let's all go to Buckingham Palace, spend £20 on some flowers & stand in the rain crying about a woman we never met but had a life far easier and privileged than any of us can begin to imagine. Humans are weird. Our local FB group: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Our local FB group: Love the black heart, that really is a special touch 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, bickster said: They said similar about the Pope. Given that these type of people control their own rules they can do whatever they want to do Btw King James II and VII of Scotland and Mary Queen of Scots both abdicated, the first by dropping a seal in the Thames and buggering off to France and the later was forced but it doesn't alter the fact that Edward VIII wasn't the only UK Crown abdication. Because of the Act of Settlement an abdication now requires an act of Parliament but nonetheless it's perfectly possible as we know already The not the done thing / constitutional crisis argument is quite frankly nonsense. If the Queen wanted to Abdicate 10 years ago, no one would really have batted an eyelid. The relevant Act of Parliament would have been drawn up and it would have been done. No constitutional crisis would have occurred. All good points, however in order to out-lampard you it's worth noting that Mary, Queen of Scots was never the Queen of England so it is quite moot..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 9, 2022 Just now, DeadlyDirk said: All good points, however in order to out-lampard you it's worth noting that Mary, Queen of Scots was never the Queen of England so it is quite moot..... So your argument is that the Queen could abdicate from Scotland but not the rest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlyDirk Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: So your argument is that the Queen could abdicate from Scotland but not the rest This was before the time of the British Monarchy damn you! Ha ha ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Our local FB group: Good for her. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 So there is definitely no football tomorrow? Like definitely definitely? It's okay, whoever jumped the gun can admit his mistake and put em back on again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, UpTheVilla26 said: Why do people cry over the death of someone they've never met? People never really get over the loss of their loved ones, it just gets repressed, and their grief only resurfaces when they are reminded of it. People lose a lot of loved-ones in a lifetime. So every new loss reminds them of every old loss, and on occasions when they are bombarded with lacrimose and mawkish sentiments, their old feelings of personal loss emerge. I was talking to an old lady in a queue at the Co-op (as you do) and she told me that she was wiping her eyes all day, yesterday. She mentioned holding the hand of her dying husband. I am sure that the soldiers who march beside the catafalque, will be told that they may weep if they feel the need to, but not to blow their nose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, MCU said: Good for her. I’m gonna really go at it now. One for every bouquet I see laid. If only the football was on to stop me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, a m ole said: I’m gonna really go at it now. One for every bouquet I see laid. If only the football was on to stop me Go on son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted September 9, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2022 At most funerals these days (and sadly, I've been to a few lately), the request is: "No flowers, please. Instead, we would like you to make a donation to <deceased/family's chosen charity>". Wouldn't it be nice (except for florists, obvs) if all that wasted flowers money went to (say) Shelter, or Cancer Research? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted September 9, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2022 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovenian Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 sad occasion, nice picture 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted September 9, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) Good for me. No Villa to ruin my weekends for a bit and will play videogames instead or go out for a few walks. Pretty embarrassing how everyone seems to be trying to out ‘grief’ each other. The Queen has never met you, never wanted to meet you and doesn’t give two flying ****’s about you, your family or anyone you know. None of them do. Don’t worship the ruling classes people. If it was legal they’d have you back in the big working house. Nations Grandma lol. **** off Edited September 9, 2022 by Ingram85 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, UpTheVilla26 said: Why do people cry over the death of someone they've never met? Honestly, I can't get my head around it. Let's all go to Buckingham Palace, spend £20 on some flowers & stand in the rain crying about a woman we never met but had a life far easier and privileged than any of us can begin to imagine. Humans are weird. I remember when Diana died. I was in Majorca (or maybe it was Minorca) on a family holiday. Sat in a some British bar, a passing middle aged English woman was walking past and I saw her ask a fellow patron what was going on. The guy literally just says “Diana’s died in a car crash.” It was the fastest I’ve seen somehow start crying, her handkerchief seemingly appearing like it was a magician’s trick. It was like he told her it was one of her family members. And this bloke clearly not expecting that response, sitting there awkwardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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