messi11 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Spoony said: I’m starting to think he really isn’t the real deal… Based on a rating from whoscored? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 You would say archer is miles ahead of barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post messi11 Posted February 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2022 People like @Delphinho123 and @Spoonywriting him off already at 18 years of age and 70 mins of football at Swindon, probz the same people who thought a 19 year old Cameron Archer was never going to make it when he was struggling last season at Solihull Moors FC. Only 3% of youth players in the history of the PL have made it (Got PL minutes). so there only a 3% chance of all Villa players making it. Louie Barry got a great chance if he develops right over the next 2-3 seasons to be in that 3%.No point writing him off now 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: You would say archer is miles ahead of barry Archer at 18 vs Louie Barry at 18. Barry is clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Just now, messi11 said: Archer at 18 vs Louie Barry at 18. Barry is clear Whats barry shown at 18 so far to suggest he is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 minute ago, messi11 said: so there only a 3% chance of all Villa players making it. Louie Barry got a great chance if he develops right over the next 2-3 seasons to be in that 3%. No point writing him off now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icouldtelltheworld Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Clearly got bags of talent and a long time yet to develop. At present it looks as though he hasn't got as good of a chance of making it here as some of our others, but he may be a bit of a late bloomer physically and others have said, Archer's trajectory this year shows that you can never know what's going to happen. I reckon he'll make a career out of football, but wouldn't be surprised if things turn out a bit like O'Hare and he ends up a very good championship player. Hope he proves me wrong and plays his whole career at Villa in the top flight though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Whats barry shown at 18 so far to suggest he is better? 13 goals in 17 games at U23 PL level last season (Age 17). Only Liam Delap got a better MPG record. FA Youth Cup Winner Played for England at all youth levels of his age groups. Already on loan Edited February 6, 2022 by messi11 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, messi11 said: 13 goals in 17 games at U23 PL level last season (Age 17). Only Liam Delap got a better MPG record. FA Youth Cup Winner Played for England at all youth levels of his age groups. Already on loan Yeah but we have had various youngsters who did excellently in the youth leagues but then when it comes to proper league football they struggle. Barry it failed miserably for him at Ipswich. If he struggles at swindon it would be worrying signs for him. Archer was what 19 when he debuted for us? Look at him scoring scoring in a tough league like the championship at 20. For me there is no comparison when you compare the two regardless of the 2 year age gap right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, messi11 said: People like @Delphinho123 and @Spoonywriting him off already at 18 years of age and 70 mins of football at Swindon, probz the same people who thought a 19 year old Cameron Archer was never going to make it when he was struggling last season at Solihull Moors FC. Only 3% of youth players in the history of the PL have made it (Got PL minutes). so there only a 3% chance of all Villa players making it. Louie Barry got a great chance if he develops right over the next 2-3 seasons to be in that 3%.No point writing him off now I’m not writing him off. I hope he proves me wrong but I just don’t rate him as highly others on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I’m not writing him off. I hope he proves me wrong but I just don’t rate him as highly others on here. When you state that "he will never be a premier league player" what do you mean then. That looks like writing someone off to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: When you state that "he will never be a premier league player" what do you mean then. That looks like writing someone off to me. Yeh, I kind of agree. I probably was. I stand by my opinion though. He’ll obviously go on to be a footballer but I don’t think he’ll be a PL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post useless Posted February 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2022 Barry has been way better than Archer at U23 level or academy level as an whole, and it's not even close. He played against Reading for the U23s last month, and in that one game after hardly having played any football all season, his performance was better than most performances from our other attackers have put in this season, probably better than any Archer performance, of course I'm only basing that on the games i've seen which are just the ones that have been streamed, and it's not to say the other attackers have been poor, they've actually been very good, but at U23 level Barry at his very best is exceptionally talented. And all that's not to take anything away from Archer, as he's obviously now proving himself at senior level, something Barry is yet to do, but worth remember that when Archer was Barry's age he had achieved nowhere near as much as Barry has achieved. I don't like piting our youngsters against each other, but if you were to tell the club now that they could only keep one of Barry or Archer, I'm pretty sure they would keep Barry, ultimately he might not make it with us, but his potential is massive. Thankfully we're not in that position, and can keep two very promising young players, the more of our young talents coming through that are VIlla fans and develop into exceptional players the better as we will have a better chance of them not thinking about other clubs and staying with us longer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yeah but we have had various youngsters who did excellently in the youth leagues but then when it comes to proper league football they struggle. Barry it failed miserably for him at Ipswich. If he struggles at swindon it would be worrying signs for him. Archer was what 19 when he debuted for us? Look at him scoring scoring in a tough league like the championship at 20. For me there is no comparison when you compare the two regardless of the 2 year age gap right now. Isn't the point though that you're not comparing them at the same stage of their development ? Archer had a relatively fruitless loan last year at a much lower level. Barry is 2 years younger than Archer, and has first team experience at a higher level than Archer at a younger age. It's crazy to write him off now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 The goal vs Liverpool was the best and worst thing that happened to him. Automatically entered the conversation for first team football from our fanbase and silly expectations began. He’s still built like a kid, and he is a kid he’s only 18. Let him develop. No one at the clubs going to be worried about that loan spell at Ipswich from a performance point of view, it was a bad move. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yeah but we have had various youngsters who did excellently in the youth leagues but then when it comes to proper league football they struggle. Barry it failed miserably for him at Ipswich. If he struggles at swindon it would be worrying signs for him. Archer was what 19 when he debuted for us? Look at him scoring scoring in a tough league like the championship at 20. For me there is no comparison when you compare the two regardless of the 2 year age gap right now. Ipswich were an absolute shitshow who had bought loads of players in the same position and had an under pressure manager who wasn't confident enough to rely on an 18yo to pull him out of the shit. It was a bad loan, but it's bizarre to write him off based on that. Archer scored 4 goals in 26 games last season in the National League while Barry scored 13 in 17 in the U23s. Yes, Archer is playing better and looking the better prospect right now, but writing Barry off this early despite him having shown obvious glimpses is really strange. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, dukes said: Isn't the point though that you're not comparing them at the same stage of their development ? Archer had a relatively fruitless loan last year at a much lower level. Barry is 2 years younger than Archer, and has first team experience at a higher level than Archer at a younger age. It's crazy to write him off now. Not writing him off completely but regardless of age archer is miles ahead of him. If barry wants to make it at villa he has to exceed archer to be ahead of him so massive improvements are gojng to be needed in next few years Thats all my point is stating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 57 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Not writing him off completely but regardless of age archer is miles ahead of him. If barry wants to make it at villa he has to exceed archer to be ahead of him so massive improvements are gojng to be needed in next few years Thats all my point is stating You can't just say "regardless of age" though when you're talking about a youth player. When Archer was 18 he wasn't even on the radar. Barry will have to improve, obviously, as will every single young player on the books if they want to make it, but Archer is a perfect example that development and improvement are not linear. It's hard to overstate how bad a place to go out on loan Ipswich was. New owners with lots of pressure on a bad (now sacked) manager, an enormous turnover of players and very poor performances. This wasn't a nice established team where Louie could slot in to an open spot and work in a system to develop. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 This time 12 months ago, Archer was a forgotten man. Most of us assumed his time had passed and he'd be on his way out of the club. Look at him now Jacob Ramsey was written off as poor and 'dogshit' after the first game of the season by a few posters. Look at him now. Thats not to say Barry will be like Grealish but he still has years of development ahead of him. Perhaps don't write him off just yet though? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 He'll obviously have to kick on at some point but he's still got plenty of time to do it. He's a completely different player to Archer from what I've seen of both of them so I won't be comparing them. As I mentioned in the Archer thread, he'll fit the PNE system and style really well and Lowe is an excellent manager. KHH didn't fit the Swindon team really well but he was just so good it didn't really matter. Early doors for Barry, have to see how he does over the rest of this season and the next 2/3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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