The Hung Like a Donkey General Election December 2019 Thread

[snowychap]

1 minute ago, Awol said:

Actually I think we could do something unilaterally. The government, on the basis that your analysis is broadly correct, could reprise a Manhattan type project to crack clean energy production. Then give it away. Of course we won’t, but we could. 

If nothing else it would give @HanoiVillan something to be proud of! 

Now there's some magical thinking!

I don't think it would make any difference even if we could and would (as you say, we wouldn't) but I do commend your optimism.

You've probably just indicated how few and outlandish the ways out of our current situation there are.

Bon courage to the future generation(s).

[NurembergVillan]

31 minutes ago, Awol said:

Bit of secondary picketing by the Hindu Council (following the CoE lead earlier) in support of the Jews.

 

Good job Paul Weller's not a Tory or there'd be a letter from the **** Style Council next.

[bannedfromHandV]

2 hours ago, bickster said:

It's like some sick Japanese game show. Take it up the hoop from Corbyn or give Boris a BJ to progress to the next round. Your choice

The ol’ would you rather sit on a dick and eat a cake or sit on a cake and eat a dick conundrum.

[chrisp65]

I think I should fess up that I once upset a Zoroastrian.

I’ve volunteered for re education.

[PompeyVillan]

I think it's regrettable that so many religious leaders are politicising their religion and their followers.

 

[bickster]

1 minute ago, PompeyVillan said:

I think it's regrettable that so many religious leaders are politicising their religion and their followers.

 

Bet Fred offering 5/1 on the Pope coming out for the LibDems

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6 minutes ago, PompeyVillan said:

I think it's regrettable that so many religious leaders are politicising their religion and their followers.

 

Should they just shut up and not speak?

[cyrusr]

16 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I think I should fess up that I once upset a Zoroastrian.

I’ve volunteered for re education.

You will burn for that.

[PompeyVillan]

1 minute ago, snowychap said:

Should they just shut up and not speak?

I didn't say that, so I don't need to defend that position. 

[chrisp65]

1 minute ago, cyrusr said:

You will burn for that.

I think Freddy Mercury was a Zoroastrian, so I know there will be people on my side.

 

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Just now, PompeyVillan said:

I didn't say that, so I don't need to defend that position. 

It's the clear implication.

Everything is political and that includes religious affiliation.

[HanoiVillan]

1 minute ago, snowychap said:

It's the clear implication.

Everything is political and that includes religious affiliation.

I suppose there is a middle way where people say something like 'I'm just speaking in a personal capacity here . . .'

[cyrusr]

7 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I think Freddy Mercury was a Zoroastrian, so I know there will be people on my side.

 

It was meant as bad joke.....  

[chrisp65]

The timing is not genuine. These religious leaders are trying to maximise their influence on the vote.

For the Rabbi to make his intervention the same day as Labour’s faith manifesto, and make that intervention exclusively in a newspaper is not pure coincidence. I can see how the other team have then felt the need to ‘retaliate’ with their islamophobia accusation at the tories.

Slinging accusations of racism around is really very serious. If you believe he is a racist name names, specify what the issue is, request action from the proper authorities. Don’t come up with this threat to the soul of the nation shit.

It’s a pretty low state of affairs.

Edited November 26, 2019 by chrisp65

[colhint]

TO be honest 

4 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

The timing is not genuine. These religious leaders are trying to maximise their influence on the vote.

For the Rabbi to make his intervention the same day as Labour’s faith manifesto, and make that intervention exclusively in a newspaper is not pure coincidence. I can see how the other team have then felt the need to ‘retaliate’ with their islamophobia accusation at the tories.

Slinging accusations of racism around is really very serious. If you believe he is a racist name name, specify what the issue is, request action from the proper authorities. Don’t come up with this threat to the should of the nation shit.

It’s a pretty low state of affairs.

To be honest I think plenty of people on here have been slinging accusations of racism to anyone who voted leave for the past few years.

[bickster]

21 minutes ago, snowychap said:

Should they just shut up and not speak?

The world would be a better place.

[chrisp65]

2 minutes ago, colhint said:

TO be honest 

To be honest I think plenty of people on here have been slinging accusations of racism to anyone who voted leave for the past few years.

There’s a world of difference between nobs on a messageboard and Rabbi Mirvis in The Times.

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10 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I suppose there is a middle way where people say something like 'I'm just speaking in a personal capacity here . . .'

If they're speaking in a personal capacity then they are duty bound to do that, surely?

If they are speaking in their position within an organisation (the CofE, the CBI, the Muslim Council of Britain, The Satanists of the Lower Forest of Dean, &c.) then they speak as that. To say that they shouldn't 'politicise' their group implies that their group shouldn't have a place, or a representation, politically.

I'm not defending religion, just to be clear; I'm defending the right of people to comment about politics.

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3 minutes ago, bickster said:

The world would be a better place.

Rubbish.

It may be a better place if there were less religion. It's never going to be a better place if people are refused a political view or input because of their (religious - or otherwise) views.

[colhint]

5 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

There’s a world of difference between nobs on a messageboard and Rabbi Mirvis in The Times.

Thing is though it's not just on here, it's been sort of accepted in debate now. You must have heard racism is a big part of the debate, All racists voted leave, they don't like foreigners etc. It's been part of the norm now. It's a bit like this here  and now.  It's been allowed to be accepted.  This is similar to Corbyn and AS.  Because he hasn't dealt with it, and there have been some Labour heavyweights who have been accused,  he should have realised it would be part of the norm. With the Brexit debate, no one controls it,  people can accuse 1000's of people as being racists, not the Tories fault or Labour, but AS is directlly affecting Labour, and Jeremy  should control that.