The Hung Like a Donkey General Election December 2019 Thread

[chrisp65]

He is easily the most blatant compulsive liar.

The people lap it up.

[Davkaus]

23 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

He is easily the most blatant compulsive liar.

The people lap it up.

He perfectly represents his party then.

The entire cabinet are out in force, promising everything will be better once they're elected, as if they're not the incumbent party.

The NHS, social care, policing, housing. They're going to fix it all now they've had a chance. Now what have these **** been doing since 2010? "Look guys, everything is shit, but don't worry, you can trust us, the people that slashed all of the things we're now delighted to be funding". 

I say the whole cabinet. The honourable member for lounging about in the 18th century has been in hiding. Seriously, Rees-Mogg was like an unflushable turd a month ago. You couldn't get rid of the arrogant prick, now he's gone in to hiding. 

[Vive_La_Villa]

22 hours ago, Davkaus said:

I just can't comprehend how someone can see the shit we've been through in the last 9 years and think "politicians are all the same".

The last Labour government didn't get everything right. The Iraq war is a stain on this country's history, but domestic policy then versus the war on the poor the tories have been engaged in since? It's night and **** day.

Were Labour at all responsible for the financial crash? Genuine question. That was the worst our country has been in a long time  wasn’t it?  

[Davkaus]

1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Were Labour at all responsible for the financial crash? Genuine question. That was the worst our country has been in a long time  wasn’t it?  

I'm no economist, but I'm inclined to say that considering the impact was felt across the world, at most they were a contributing factor. I can't imagine the UK government's policies necessarily being influential enough to crash the global economy.

[Vive_La_Villa]

1 minute ago, Davkaus said:

I'm no economist, but I'm inclined to say that considering the impact was felt across the world, at most they were a contributing factor. I can't imagine the UK government's policies necessarily being influential enough to crash the global economy.

Whoever took over had quite a mess to deal with though. This is no defence of Torys but I do wonder how Labour would have dealt with things.  

I despise them all. 

[Davkaus]

38 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Whoever took over had quite a mess to deal with though. This is no defence of Torys but I do wonder how Labour would have dealt with things.  

I despise them all. 

We'll never know, of course, but from what I know or Brown and Miliband, for all their faults, they wouldn't have tried their damnedest to ensure that the poorest foot the bill.

People talk about the need for austerity, we were all in it together, we had to tighten our belts and there was no money for, you know, the poor and sick. **** 'em, they'll make do, there's always food banks.

Yet here we are in 2019, and it's considered outrageous by some that Corbyn is suggesting that we increase corporation tax to where it was in 2010. The biggest economic hardship we could imagine, but there was money to cut corporation tax...Just none for people in poverty.

Yeah. There's a reason I won't apologise for abusive language when it comes to the tories. 

Edited November 24, 2019 by Davkaus

[chrisp65]

25 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Whoever took over had quite a mess to deal with though. This is no defence of Torys but I do wonder how Labour would have dealt with things.  

I despise them all. 

I don’t think Labour would have identified the root cause of the problem as too many nurses and Libraries.

Edited November 24, 2019 by chrisp65
Route root

[Guest]

But at least the rich got richer, be thankful for that.

[chrisp65]

20 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

He perfectly represents his party then.

The entire cabinet are out in force, promising everything will be better once they're elected, as if they're not the incumbent party.

The NHS, social care, policing, housing. They're going to fix it all now they've had a chance. Now what have these **** been doing since 2010? "Look guys, everything is shit, but don't worry, you can trust us, the people that slashed all of the things we're now delighted to be funding". 

I say the whole cabinet. The honourable member for lounging about in the 18th century has been in hiding. Seriously, Rees-Mogg was like an unflushable turd a month ago. You couldn't get rid of the arrogant prick, now he's gone in to hiding. 

I did a very rare visit to a supermarket this morning. The local Morrisons is usually well off my radar on a Sunday morning, but I’d been sent out to buy a newspaper. The choice on offer in Morrisons was Mail, Telegraph, Sun and Times. Smaller shop down the road, Sun, Star, Mail, People. One shop further along, Sun, Mail, Telegraph, Times, People.

You wonder, from your own comfy bubble, where all these tory voters are. Then you go to a supermarket in a relatively poor part of a traditionally working class town and the newspapers people are buying are the Mail and the Sun.

 

[PompeyVillan]

13 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Were Labour at all responsible for the financial crash? Genuine question. That was the worst our country has been in a long time  wasn’t it?  

Absolutely not. It was global banking crisis. 

Triggered by sub prime mortgage defaults in America. The bankers got greedy and lent too much money to too many people who couldn't afford it. Markets crashed very quickly, essentially everyone wanted their money back all at once. 

But yeh, the Tories made it out as if Labour were responsible. So many people believed them and the media were complict in enforcing the lie. Labour were weak at defending themselves on the issue.

The Tories got elected along with the Lib Dems and decided that rather than deal with the real villains in the financial sector, they decided to punish the poor and disabled, and those that rely heavily on the state. The bedroom tax and cuts to disability benefits have been particularly damaging.

But really they punished everyone because they have cut funding to schools, police, NHS, libraries, prisons, fire fighting, etc all public services to terminally low levels.

Now they're throwing a few crumbs to public services and expect us all to be thankful. 

 

[Xann]

9 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Were Labour at all responsible for the financial crash? Genuine question. That was the worst our country has been in a long time  wasn’t it?  

It was triggered by fraudulent trade of bad debt on the US mortgage market.

The PM at the time, Labour's Gordon Brown, tried to arrest the slide but only ended up throwing a lot good money after bad.

The rogue traders were, of course, Goldmann Sachs. Who went cap in hand to Brown saying losses meant they couldn't afford their tax bill.

Were lessons learned?

No.

Cameron handed over the sale of the Post Office to GS.

The shares were drastically undervalued. The supposed long term investors dumped immediately for vast profits.

Fat bonuses for the suits. The Public Purse lost again.

[snowychap]

4 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Why do they just not try and do things properly? Would it have cost them the earth to either train, or bring in, another 19,000 nurses? Or why not just announce 30,000 extra nurses? I really don't get the benefit to them of these easily-disproven figures.

Looking at the manifesto, it looks as though it says 50k more nurses rather than 'new' nurses so I guess the line is that it's 50k more than they would otherwise have expected to have but I doubt anyone hearing the 50k more nurses would understand it to mean that, though.

The benefit is that people hear the 50k number first and that's all that matters.

They do repeat the '40 new hospitals' line in there.

Edited November 24, 2019 by snowychap

[Wainy316]

10 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I did a very rare visit to a supermarket this morning. The local Morrisons is usually well off my radar on a Sunday morning, but I’d been sent out to buy a newspaper. The choice on offer in Morrisons was Mail, Telegraph, Sun and Times. Smaller shop down the road, Sun, Star, Mail, People. One shop further along, Sun, Mail, Telegraph, Times, People.

You wonder, from your own comfy bubble, where all these tory voters are. Then you go to a supermarket in a relatively poor part of a traditionally working class town and the newspapers people are buying are the Mail and the Sun.

 

Why don’t Labour ever go for these papers and the vermin that own them?  Start a big campaign to refute and disprove all their bullshit.  

[Brumstopdogs]

Don't mention the gold

[chrisp65]

32 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Whoever took over had quite a mess to deal with though. This is no defence of Torys but I do wonder how Labour would have dealt with things.  

I despise them all. 

Iceland can’t be a direct comparison, they have a much smaller economy. But they dealt with their crash by nationalising a bank, setting up new challenger banks and arresting guilty financiers. The currency was devalued, inflation was allowed to burn away a load of internal debt.

They had economic growth from 2011 onward and had fully recovered by 2016.

Different size of economy, nowhere near a perfectly handled situation. What they didn’t do, was reward the bankers, increase the wealth of the richest, get the poorest to foot the bill.

[chrisp65]

7 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

Why don’t Labour ever go for these papers and the vermin that own them?  Start a big campaign to refute and disprove all their bullshit.  

Yeah, what did happen to that campaign that suggested newspapers should tell the truth?

Leveson recommendations and legislation to make them tell the truth was dropped by the tory govt. last year.

[Vive_La_Villa]

32 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I did a very rare visit to a supermarket this morning. The local Morrisons is usually well off my radar on a Sunday morning, but I’d been sent out to buy a newspaper. The choice on offer in Morrisons was Mail, Telegraph, Sun and Times. Smaller shop down the road, Sun, Star, Mail, People. One shop further along, Sun, Mail, Telegraph, Times, People.

You wonder, from your own comfy bubble, where all these tory voters are. Then you go to a supermarket in a relatively poor part of a traditionally working class town and the newspapers people are buying are the Mail and the Sun.

 

Which paper did you buy?

[chrisp65]

3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Which paper did you buy?

A Spar on the route home had an Observer and I bought that.

It was our turn to entertain an elderly relative that loves reading snippets out loud. Not a fan of any paper but I figured that was least likely to be a mix of thinly veiled racism, celebrity gossip and tory vomit. 

[snowychap]

52 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

Yeah. There's a reason I won't apologise for abusive language when it comes to the tories.

If that's a reference back to the conversation other day then it's misplaced (as it wasn't about 'abusive language').

[chrisp65]