bickster Posted July 27 Moderator Share Posted July 27 9 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: So what! When has a forum been a place for actual facts. I thought it was a place for discussion. Intelligent debate and discussion generally uses facts as the basis of any argument Who cares about facts anyway, can’t be letting pesky things like the truth getting in the way of wild speculation and other horseshit now can we 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 10 minutes ago, bickster said: can’t be letting pesky things like the truth getting in the way of wild speculation and other horseshit now can we Have you seen the summer transfer thread?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 27 Moderator Share Posted July 27 Just now, Xela said: Have you seen the summer transfer thread?! Yeah we invented the zoo of bollocks to keep it all in one place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 4 hours ago, foreveryoung said: It's a bit sketchy, but I heard off my pal last night whos an AR officer (please don't quote me on it as fact, as I know how VT works). There was apparently an argument on the aircraft or in the baggage area prior to this incident with the mother, may have been physical like a barge from a random guy. The mother pointed the guy out to some family members who were collecting them from the carpark. The family members jumped a security barrier and kicked off with this guy, the police turned up, an all hell broke loose, with the perpertrators resisting arrest, possibly causing the broken nose on one of the officers. Apart from trying to seriously injure someone (the head kick). Armed police can, a will use extreme force to stop an incident as quick as possible in an airport. This actually sounds possible as on a few of the videos you can hear the guy recording saying the guy arrested is his driver Anyway that aside, you not in London today mate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, bickster said: Intelligent debate and discussion generally uses facts as the basis of any argument Who cares about facts anyway, can’t be letting pesky things like the truth getting in the way of wild speculation and other horseshit now can we It's what I heard off my pal who works as a AR officer, it's hardly wild speculation. Your the only one it worries anyway, so I'll carry for people who wanna know. Edited July 27 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 3 hours ago, bickster said: Yeah we invented the zoo of bollocks to keep it all in one place I think thats entrapment! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 27 VT Supporter Share Posted July 27 7 hours ago, foreveryoung said: It's a bit sketchy, but I heard off my pal last night whos an AR officer (please don't quote me on it as fact, as I know how VT works). There was apparently an argument on the aircraft or in the baggage area prior to this incident with the mother, may have been physical like a barge from a random guy. The mother pointed the guy out to some family members who were collecting them from the carpark. The family members jumped a security barrier and kicked off with this guy, the police turned up, an all hell broke loose, with the perpertrators resisting arrest, possibly causing the broken nose on one of the officers. Apart from trying to seriously injure someone (the head kick). Armed police can, a will use extreme force to stop an incident as quick as possible in an airport. I’d bet my mortgage on this being complete bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 27 Moderator Share Posted July 27 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: t's what I heard off my pal who works as a AR officer, it's hardly wild speculation. That is exactly what it is. He was no more there than you nor I. He has no special access to any information. Most of what your pal says was in the pulblic domain as speculation from the off. Something happened on the plane involving the older lady. Something then happened when they landed in The terminal. The police got involved. The rest is simply rumour and heresay Oh and given that GMPs response to this was to initially try to control the narrative around the female officer being assaulted including telling already proven false narratives, being a police officer and hearing rumours makes it even less reliable. GMP already have a history of telling porkies to cover up wrongdoing as evidence by the Baird Report released only last week. GMP have serious issues on a par with the Met Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 7 hours ago, foreveryoung said: ... an argument on the aircraft or in the baggage area prior ... At this point, I am having a hard time taking what follows as gospel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) Police should of kicked his head harder, Woman Beater! Edited July 27 by Pongo Waring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted July 27 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: Police should of kicked his head harder, Woman Beater! It really doesn’t matter what he did. Despite the fact he appears to be a complete scumbag, nothing excuses the conduct of the policeman 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted July 27 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 27 It’s a shame because the police appear to have done extremely well to handle a really horrible situation. And then completely ruined it 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 You do wonder how long now their OTT Lawyer will stick around. Neither party comes out of this in a good light 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said: Police should of kicked his head harder, Woman Beater! Explains the anger from the officer. Still can't be excused as it's job to not let emotions get the better of him. Especially if he firearms police ! Edited July 27 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 What the hell could have been said or done for a guy to try and take on a police force like that. He was going for every officer. Guy lost the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 10 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It really doesn’t matter what he did. Despite the fact he appears to be a complete scumbag, nothing excuses the conduct of the policeman It doesn’t justify it, but it does still matter, right? If you shoot someone because they broke into your house we’re trying to nick your TV, it’s not justified. But it’s still a mitigating circumstance - you would be scared and angry. You’ll get less of a sentence than if you shot your wife in cold blood to collect a life insurance payout. I’m a bit happier to know that the policeman was reacting to some guy going psycho and attacking multiple police officers (seemingly for no reason), rather than just doing it because he was a sadist who liked hurting people unprovoked. He should still lose his job and be prosecuted for it, but I at least understand his thought process on a human level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) That should put an end to the claims he was an innocent bystander, at least Edited July 27 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 4 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: It doesn’t justify it, but it does still matter, right? If you shoot someone because they broke into your house we’re trying to nick your TV, it’s not justified. But it’s still a mitigating circumstance - you would be scared and angry. You’ll get less of a sentence than if you shot your wife in cold blood to collect a life insurance payout. I’m a bit happier to know that the policeman was reacting to some guy going psycho and attacking multiple police officers (seemingly for no reason), rather than just doing it because he was a sadist who liked hurting people unprovoked. He should still lose his job and be prosecuted for it, but I at least understand his thought process on a human level. Yeh that's fair. I always thought something bad must have happened for the policeman to want to hurt the guy like that but my suspicions were it was due to the old lady getting hurt first. Doesn't seem that way from the cctv. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 27 VT Supporter Share Posted July 27 11 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: It doesn’t justify it, but it does still matter, right? If you shoot someone because they broke into your house we’re trying to nick your TV, it’s not justified. But it’s still a mitigating circumstance - you would be scared and angry. You’ll get less of a sentence than if you shot your wife in cold blood to collect a life insurance payout. I’m not a policeman. It doesn’t matter what someone has done, a policeman has absolutely no justification to boot them in the face and stamp on their head when they’re completely incapacitated. Ever 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted July 27 Popular Post Share Posted July 27 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It doesn’t matter what someone has done, a policeman has absolutely no justification to boot them in the face and stamp on their head when they’re completely incapacitated. Ever Agreed. They should have waited until they got him back to the station instead. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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