IrishVilla10 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, bobzy said: We have Watkins, Duran and Diaby (theoretically) for 1 position in the team. That's fine, really. With the amount of games we potentially have I don’t think it’s fine at all. We’re an injury away from struggling, if it’s Ollie then we’re dropping a full season of expectations on Duran. We need another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, IrishVilla10 said: With the amount of games we potentially have I don’t think it’s fine at all. We’re an injury away from struggling, if it’s Ollie then we’re dropping a full season of expectations on Duran. We need another We're dropping a full season on Diaby and Duran. Our two backup strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 That's an excellent deal for us. Credit to Monchi for thrashing these out - it's about time we were able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 We have Watkins, Duran and Zaniolo for Striker position. I don't know if Emery is happy with that or wants another forward in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, CVByrne said: We have Watkins, Duran and Zaniolo for Striker position. I don't know if Emery is happy with that or wants another forward in They aren’t recognised out and out strikers. An injury to Ollie leaves on Duran as a recognised striker - both Diaby and Zaniolo aren’t strikers in the traditional sense when we need them for other roles too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villatillidie95 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If they relegate then they have a great striker to fire them back up…he does have a lot of similarities to billy sharp, we have done really well to get over 50 million for Ramsey, archer and chukwumeka. okay bidace and davies are leaving on the cheap, but we get a massive FFP boost and still have buy back clauses on 3/5 of those players so if it suits us we can get them back after they have blossomed….we are WINNING! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bobzy said: We have Watkins, Duran and Diaby (theoretically) for 1 position in the team. That's fine, really. It's not, really. In his final full season at Villarreal when they made it to the semi-final of the Champions League, he had 4 recognised centre-forwards: Nicolas Jackson, Boulaye Dia, Gerard Moreno and Paco Alacer. As well as those 4 he had: Yeremy Pino, Chukwueze, Danjuma and Moi Gomez. In total 8 attackers We have 2 recognised centre forwards: Watkins and Duran. As well as wider forwards: Diaby, Bailey and Traore. Only 5 attackers. We are a bit light up front IMO. We could do with another wide player and a centre forward. Edit: Forgot Zaniolo so 6. Edited August 23, 2023 by duke313 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 minute ago, duke313 said: It's not, really. In his final full season at Villarreal when they made it to the semi-final of the Champions League, he had 4 recognised centre-forwards: Nicolas Jackson, Boulaye Dia, Gerard Moreno and Paco Alacer. As well as those 4 he had: Yeremy Pino, Chukwueze, Danjuma and Moi Gomez. In total 8 attackers We have 2 recognised centre forwards: Watkins and Duran. As well as wider forwards: Diaby, Bailey and Traore. Only 5 attackers. We are a bit light up front IMO. We could do with another wide player and a centre forward. Edit: Forgot Zaniolo so 6. This is exactly my point. If we have to play one of the above when Ollie is injured we have gaps in the squad with players that are either not good enough or consistent enough. Having an experienced striker will ease the pressure on Ollie and Jhon. It makes total sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, duke313 said: It's not, really. In his final full season at Villarreal when they made it to the semi-final of the Champions League, he had 4 recognised centre-forwards: Nicolas Jackson, Boulaye Dia, Gerard Moreno and Paco Alacer. As well as those 4 he had: Yeremy Pino, Chukwueze, Danjuma and Moi Gomez. In total 8 attackers We have 2 recognised centre forwards: Watkins and Duran. As well as wider forwards: Diaby, Bailey and Traore. Only 5 attackers. We are a bit light up front IMO. We could do with another wide player and a centre forward. The striker role is 1 position in our team. We have 2 players who naturally play there and then at least 1 more player who could play there if needed. Zaniolo is also an attacking player and, despite being injured, Buendia isn't dead and is part of the squad. Not out of the question that we try and bring in backup, but I'm not worried at all if we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, duke313 said: We have 2 recognised centre forwards: Watkins and Duran. As well as wider forwards: Diaby, Bailey and Traore. Only 5 attackers. We are a bit light up front IMO. Edit: Forgot Zaniolo so 6. Would Coutinho, Ramsey and/or Tielemans count as attacking players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, ender4 said: Would Coutinho, Ramsey and/or Tielemans count as attacking players? Coutinho possibly, but he could be injured for a while and might be sold. Ramsey, could probably play there in an emergency but his position is on the left. Tielemans, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Curious if this is a smart FFP deal with a buyback, a player-driven deal (“I want to be first choice now”) or Emery simply doesn’t rate him. I guess time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, TRO said: Duran is better physically equipped to hold the ball up.....as well as his huge burst of pace.....more like Ollie's style. Cam is more a fox in the box, a bit more like Billy Sharp....could work out well for all parties. This is key for me, if all you offer is the ability to finish chances I don't think thats enough in todays game. Cam might be the best finisher at the club but he's behind Watkins and Duran, you have to be able to contribute elsewhere and his hold up play, ability to win headers and battle defenders is lacking. A few times Preston and Boro fans said that he was quiet because they couldn't create chances for him. I think he'd be much more suited in the Italian league or developing himself as a wide forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Solid price for him. If he's third choice and we have a buyback it's a good deal. Wish him all the best and, again, perhaps he'll be back one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: The striker role is 1 position in our team. We have 2 players who naturally play there and then at least 1 more player who could play there if needed. Zaniolo is also an attacking player and, despite being injured, Buendia isn't dead and is part of the squad. Not out of the question that we try and bring in backup, but I'm not worried at all if we don't. It was the same setup he used at Villarreal, and he had 4 centre forwards and 4 wide players for the front two positions. If we have to play Diaby up front instead of Watkins for whatever reason, then we don't have Diaby to play where Diaby plays. Buendia is out for the season, so no point discussing him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzaleed Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, ender4 said: Would Coutinho, Ramsey and/or Tielemans count as attacking players? Ramsey and Tielemens are clearly midfielders. coutinho you'd argue is more attacking but also either injured or on his way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Adam2003 said: Curious if this is a smart FFP deal with a buyback, a player-driven deal (“I want to be first choice now”) or Emery simply doesn’t rate him. I guess time will tell. I think it’s a question of he’s not going to get game time and a loan doesn’t make financial sense. Better to get some money in and the incentive is on Cam to prove himself to Unai if he wants to come back. Duran ahead of Cam probably reflects the current pecking order for Unai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just now, duke313 said: It was the same setup he used at Villarreal, and he had 4 centre forwards and 4 wide players for the front two positions. If we have to play Diaby up front instead of Watkins for whatever reason, then we don't have Diaby to play where Diaby plays. Buendia is out for the season, so no point discussing him. At points against Everton, Watkins was playing on the left with Diaby central and Bailey on the right. At times, Diaby and Bailey doubled up on the right and Watkins was central. When Buendia played last season, it was generally as a tucked-in attacking midfielder on the left (same position that Ramsey took up), with Watkins as a central forward and Bailey (generally) on the right. We play 3 forwards, sometimes 2, and have a current pool of Watkins, Duran, Diaby, Bailey, Traore plus youngsters to take up those 3 or 2 positions. We then have Buendia (crocked for the season), Zaniolo and Ramsey for the slightly deeper attacking role if we played 2 further forward. It's essentially 8 players for 3 positions with an unforunate injury to Buendia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, duke313 said: Buendia is out for the season, so no point discussing him. Disagree; you have to factor in his wages and his eventual return. This probably makes loans more likely than purchases (maybe it was a factor in the way the Zaniolo deal was structured?). More relevant is that Buendia is not a striker, so isn't particularly relevant for discussion about squad depth in that position. Overall, I think it would be very sub-optimal if we had to play the likes of Zaniolo or Diaby most advanced as they aren't really very similar to Watkins, but I suspect we won't get a more direct replacement for Watkins for financial reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, The_Steve said: They aren’t recognised out and out strikers. An injury to Ollie leaves on Duran as a recognised striker - both Diaby and Zaniolo aren’t strikers in the traditional sense when we need them for other roles too. If we lose Watkins for a prolonged period yes we've an issue. I do think Zaniolo though has a lot of same attributes as Watkins with pace and height. Emery will give him minutes at 9 this season I'm pretty confident on that. So if Watkins got Injured in Feb Zaniolo would be able to cover. If it was in Sept we'd be worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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