Mr_Dogg Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 10 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Right now, as things stand, I don't think he is our third striking option. I think he's behind Davis. I don't think Davis is in the picture anymore. I think and hope Archer will be part of the first team squad next season, pre season could determine it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted June 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2022 18 hours ago, useless said: If a player is coming from academy football into the first team and looking like a lower level Prem or Champ player then that player is doing very well, and if Archer comes into our first team and does as well as Ramsey and then Chukwuemeka did in their initial appearance then he will be doing very well, there's a very good reason that Ramsey and Chukwuemeka were brought into the first team when they were. I'm pretty sure that Archer will be going on loan to the championship next season, let him have a full season as first choice, rather being the third choice that he inevitably would be with us, as he's not getting in our team ahead of Ings or Watkins, and we're probably going to bring in another forward that will be an upgrade on those two, we blunted Davis' progress enough keeping him around as third choice, would be a shame to do the same to Archer. Only way I would consider keeping him is if we're selling Ings, and the plan is to sometimes play with two upfront, then their might be scope to give him enough game time. Worry is that some are building him up too much, and then will be unfairly critical of him if he doesn't live up to those expectations. No shame in going on loan to the Championship, Abraham was on loan with us at a similar age that Archer will be next season, and Abraham was more proven at that point than Archer is now. The devil is in the detail....If you observe the execution of his goals, the technique is very encouraging.....these are not just tap ins, they are well taken goals, with quality technique....Its not a case of going OTT, on him,its more a case of appraising the quality of his finishes. The only question is, can he do it against better quality defenders?....There is only one way to find out. Even if he, goes on loan and scores MORE of what he is already doing.....that question will still remain and we will be a year further down the line, with him. I think he has to be let off the leash and given a chance.....I think the nature of his goals deserves this.....We will never know, until he is pitched in with the first team. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 For me it's not about "can he do a job for us next season?" it's "can he do a better job for us next season than Watkins, Ings or a new top class striker?" I would rather see him continue to develop on loan next season and bring in a new top class striker to compete or replace Ings. He will no doubt continue to thrive on loan, maybe even in a lower Premier League club in a season's time. Until he is definitely better than what we have here already I would rather see him develop as quickly as possible and that will happen by playing every week on loan, not sitting on our bench! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 48 minutes ago, Monkeypuzzle said: For me it's not about "can he do a job for us next season?" it's "can he do a better job for us next season than Watkins, Ings or a new top class striker?" I would rather see him continue to develop on loan next season and bring in a new top class striker to compete or replace Ings. He will no doubt continue to thrive on loan, maybe even in a lower Premier League club in a season's time. Until he is definitely better than what we have here already I would rather see him develop as quickly as possible and that will happen by playing every week on loan, not sitting on our bench! I think we have to be careful here......is he going to be better than the Ollie or Danny we know, they are capable of?......... or is he going to be better than the Ollie and Danny of last season. Ollie scored 11, Danny scored 7. I don't think from what I have seen from Cam, that exceeding that record is beyond him.....I think he has the ability to lose his markers and has a clinical finish....so being out muscled, might not be such an issue. I can see a case for both views, so I will be happy whatever SG chooses to do.......but I trust Cam to make a mark, with the first team, given the opportunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb_82 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I think personally I would get him on a half season loan deal with a view to getting him back in Jan, let him build on last year and recent england performances and then let him go in the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said: What, 21 is still very young for a striker. Plenty of players still get loaned out at this age. Tammy Abraham for example. The premier league is a completely different beast. We still have no idea whether he is good enough at this stage to even be a great impact sub. Its very difficult to make your mark on the game when you're given 5-10 mins at the end of every couple of games. Just ask Keinan Davis. Yes Chelsea can afford to loan out players top other Premier League clubs. I see greater potential as a goal scorer in Archer than I ever did with Davis. Let him have his chance here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Davis got lots of opportunities with the first team. Unless we are signing a top striker to go straight into the team, Archer should be given at least half a season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 If they are good enough they are old enough. Look at Haaland, he is only 18 months older than Cameron. He hasn't spent the last year out on loan at a lower league, he has been ripping it up in the Bundesliga and the CL. I am not suggesting Archer is as good as Haaland but it shows that age should not be the factor to stop u playing at the highest level. Bellingham is 18 months younger than Archer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 52 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: If they are good enough they are old enough. Look at Haaland, he is only 18 months older than Cameron. He hasn't spent the last year out on loan at a lower league, he has been ripping it up in the Bundesliga and the CL. I am not suggesting Archer is as good as Haaland but it shows that age should not be the factor to stop u playing at the highest level. Bellingham is 18 months younger than Archer. Yes you have to give young players the opportunity. Loan deal serves no purpose now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 5 hours ago, Peter Griffin said: If they are good enough they are old enough. Look at Haaland, he is only 18 months older than Cameron. He hasn't spent the last year out on loan at a lower league, he has been ripping it up in the Bundesliga and the CL. I am not suggesting Archer is as good as Haaland but it shows that age should not be the factor to stop u playing at the highest level. Bellingham is 18 months younger than Archer. Comparing Archer to Haaland and Bellingham lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Unless we sign another striker he is third choice in a system that often plays two up front. He'll get plenty of opportunities. I suspect Gerrard and Critch will want to see him in pre season before any calls are made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, messi11 said: Comparing Archer to Haaland and Bellingham lol Not reading the comment or deliberately trying to twist what I posted to gain attention is even funnier...'I am not suggesting Archer is as good as Haaland'. Are u able to understand the age comparisons? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Archer on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Coming on now for England U21s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 Is this game available to watch online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Just now, PieFacE said: Is this game available to watch online? YouTube 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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useless Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Losing 2-0 now, no idea why they brought Ramsey off, looked England's best player and the most likely to score, whereas Gibbs-White and Smith Rowe have been poor, Elliot should have replaced one of those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 12 hours ago, TRO said: I think we have to be careful here......is he going to be better than the Ollie or Danny we know, they are capable of?......... or is he going to be better than the Ollie and Danny of last season. Ollie scored 11, Danny scored 7. I don't think from what I have seen from Cam, that exceeding that record is beyond him.....I think he has the ability to lose his markers and has a clinical finish....so being out muscled, might not be such an issue. I can see a case for both views, so I will be happy whatever SG chooses to do.......but I trust Cam to make a mark, with the first team, given the opportunity. From the little bits I have seen of him - he reads the game a lot better than Ollie does. He seems to have the habit of attacking the space where the ball ends up - whereas Ollie seems to be more reactive. This will always give him an edge on defenders even if they are physically bigger - he's not just looking to compete for the first ball, he's banking on finding himself a bit of space for the second ball or the cross that just evades the defender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Is this game available to watch online? Was on BBC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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