Douglas Luiz

[CarryOnVilla]

1 minute ago, MaVilla said:

surprised this 3 way isnt announced yet, a bit tight to the 30th june, with only Sat/Sun to go, Mon is July.

[rodders129]

The reality is we’re losing one of our best players. It’s a blow but trust Emery to rejig the system and find a way to move forward. Two unproven young players is a gamble but fingers crossed one or both of them turn out well

[Justin]

Is he still here? I feel like we've been saying goodbye for a month!

[PaulMcGrath_5]

9 minutes ago, Justin said:

Is he still here? I feel like we've been saying goodbye for a month!

You’ve got here Justin time before he leaves.

[DakotaVilla]

6 hours ago, MrBlack said:

Seriously? You're deluded. There will be hundreds of enquiries every summer that don't get announced. Quite possibly they picked up the phone and we said don't bother, we're not selling to an English club. Maybe his agent said, don't bother, he wants to go to Italy. They might have asked us not to share their enquiry to avoid highlighting their summer demands,  or to avoid the embarrassment of losing out to "only" Juventus.  There's hundreds of reasons why seemingly no other bids for him have been leaked.

Using that as a reason to highlight how shit he is, is a huge reach. 

You’ve literally just invented a series of events in your head, with no supporting evidence at all, to suit your narrative- that is pretty much the definition of deluded.

Many were talking of Luiz as an 80+ million pound player. He has been sold for approx for half of that. If there was any formal interest in him from any other club it would have been leaked because it would have been in our interest to create a bidding war etc. 

This transfer in itself is a great example. There was no formal announcement at any time but we were literally updated on an hourly basis re McKennie being involved and then not etc. 

Edited Saturday at 01:13 by DakotaVilla

[Anything11]

11 hours ago, DakotaVilla said:

It’s complete and utter bollocks to say that McGinn and Konsa’s performances dropped to a similar level to Luiz.

The validity of your post is summed up by “actually against spurs he was highest rated” he was 6.45 - shit. Luton 6.57 - shit. Now let’s do the rest:

west ham away - 6.45 - shit

Wolves home - 7.03- average 

Man city away - 6.12 - so shit.

Brentford home - 6.45 - shit

Chelsea home - 5.38 - embarrassingly shit

Brighton away - 6.45 - shit

Liverpool home - 6.09 embarrassingly shit

Palace away - 5.70 - embarrassingly shit

olympiakos home - 0.00 - worst performance ever seen by a Villa player in  a semi final. 
 

Add on to that that during this run of poor form that Luiz was supposed to be a senior player which makes his MIA act especially poor. 

You’re entitled to your opinion but I’m extremely confident that come the end of next season we’ll be very happy with this deal and his replacement when he comes in. 

 

 

I am loving this.

[Tubby]

6 hours ago, DakotaVilla said:

You’ve literally just invented a series of events in your head, with no supporting evidence at all, to suit your narrative- that is pretty much the definition of deluded.

Many were talking of Luiz as an 80+ million pound player. He has been sold for approx for half of that. If there was any formal interest in him from any other club it would have been leaked because it would have been in our interest to create a bidding war etc. 

This transfer in itself is a great example. There was no formal announcement at any time but we were literally updated on an hourly basis re McKennie being involved and then not etc. 

Doug was never going to go for £80m. Not with two years left on his contract and not signing a new one. The fee, at best, could have been £50m-£60m.

Now, why wasn't the fee in that range? Because the excellent people that run our club have engineered the deal for their benefit.

1. The fee received for Doug, cleared the PSR requirements.
2. We pay less Tax on the gains and a lower sell-on to Man Citeh - just the right amount to ensure we don't fall foul of PSR and not do Juve
3. The two inbound players have both come in at reduced fees too.
4. That helps us to reduce the burden on our future books
5. The two inbound players fix squad depth problems, that would have cost us a lot more if attempting to purchase on the open market.
6. We can now utilise additional funds to purchase Doug's replacement - someone that wants to be here and plays at the same or a higher level.

So why didn't more clubs bid for him? Perhaps they did, but they were probably told no deal. Juve have proven to be willing partners, Doug himself is following Alisha there and the value created by the deal overall, is a lot better than straight cash.

[cheltenham_villa]

The biggest fees are largely driven by either a sell on clause, or the selling club digging in and saying they don't want to lose the player. 

In this instance we are probably seeing villa in a weaker negotiating position due to PSR. 

You also need to consider how many clubs actually spend more than 50m on a player and which of those are prioritising a central midfielder. 

If we were expecting c80-100m for Dougie, we probably needed to sell last year but he'd have needed to have shown this years form. 

[Jas10]

The deal will end up looking better if the players joining us do well and raise their values… I expect that to happen.

Even if just one of them turns out to be great and becomes a starter, that would be a positive outcome.

We could sell either or both in future for a big profit too, that’s another possibility.

I’m so glad we have Barrenechea who could turn out to be excellent, relatively young and high potential, rather than McKennie… seems to have attitude problems and is being linked with a move to MLS.

Wait and see on Iling-Jr but many people seem excited about him too… not sure exactly how and where he will fit in at this point.

Obviously I would either have preferred Dougie to stay or get more money for him but… it’s time to come to terms with it and try and understand the logic.

We will be ok, but we have to find and recruit a top class midfielder to fill that void imo.

[CVByrne]

22 minutes ago, Tubby said:

Doug was never going to go for £80m. Not with two years left on his contract and not signing a new one. The fee, at best, could have been £50m-£60m.

Now, why wasn't the fee in that range? Because the excellent people that run our club have engineered the deal for their benefit.

1. The fee received for Doug, cleared the PSR requirements.
2. We pay less Tax on the gains and a lower sell-on to Man Citeh - just the right amount to ensure we don't fall foul of PSR and not do Juve
3. The two inbound players have both come in at reduced fees too.
4. That helps us to reduce the burden on our future books
5. The two inbound players fix squad depth problems, that would have cost us a lot more if attempting to purchase on the open market.
6. We can now utilise additional funds to purchase Doug's replacement - someone that wants to be here and plays at the same or a higher level.

So why didn't more clubs bid for him? Perhaps they did, but they were probably told no deal. Juve have proven to be willing partners, Doug himself is following Alisha there and the value created by the deal overall, is a lot better than straight cash.

Or the more likely one is that we had a weak position and Juve the strong one and €50m was most we could get them to pay along with the deal to take two of their players they wanted to sell (hence McKennie and Iling Junior). Once McKennie was out because of a Juve issue with his money owed then we got lucky in getting a player they didn't want to sell in Barrenechea. 

The clubs view was this plan was best, keeping Luiz for the season and selling in the weaker position of June this summer. It probably cost us about £10m in value if we could sell at best price this summer. Additionally he leaves the PL which I expect was a desire also. 

[Tubby]

38 minutes ago, CVByrne said:

Or the more likely one is that we had a weak position and Juve the strong one and €50m was most we could get them to pay along with the deal to take two of their players they wanted to sell (hence McKennie and Iling Junior). Once McKennie was out because of a Juve issue with his money owed then we got lucky in getting a player they didn't want to sell in Barrenechea. 

The clubs view was this plan was best, keeping Luiz for the season and selling in the weaker position of June this summer. It probably cost us about £10m in value if we could sell at best price this summer. Additionally he leaves the PL which I expect was a desire also. 

I don't see this as a desperate sell.

Juve were also weak due their cash flow issues and in us, they too, found a willing trade partner.

[Leeroy]

14 hours ago, rodders129 said:

The reality is we’re losing one of our best players. It’s a blow but trust Emery to rejig the system and find a way to move forward. Two unproven young players is a gamble but fingers crossed one or both of them turn out well

Be insanity if we didn't sign at least one more proven central midfielder in July to replace either Luiz or Kamara or both. Our central midfield has received the least investment in the whole squad and it's showing now we don't have Luiz or Kamara.

[MaVilla]

47 minutes ago, Leeroy said:

Be insanity if we didn't sign at least one more proven central midfielder in July to replace either Luiz or Kamara or both. Our central midfield has received the least investment in the whole squad and it's showing now we don't have Luiz or Kamara.

we will 100% sign another CM, we would be insane not to.

In terms of actual specialist CMs (who work in Emery's system), we would only have Barrenechea & Tielemans.

I reckon we will by 2 CMs (prob a DM and a CM)

[MaVilla]

i wonder when this will get done, we only have today or tomorrow dont we?

[CarryOnVilla]

4 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

i wonder when this will get done, we only have today or tomorrow dont we?

It’s done, just not announced 

[LondonLax]

16 hours ago, DakotaVilla said:

There areno such possible factors. Not a single large club (they don’t have PSR issues because their income is so high) put a bid in for him. And please dont be that naive to think that we don’t know for sure. Every single bid is leaked to the press. 

It might have been the case that Juventus moved too quickly for rival clubs. It’s still very very early in the window, hardly any players have moved yet.

Ordinarily we would have told Juventus to back off and waited for a bidding war to start up in July/August but this summer we sold him for the first offer that came in because of our money issues. 

[DeadlyDirk]

31 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

i wonder when this will get done, we only have today or tomorrow dont we?

Reading an article on FFP or PSR (or whatever) as long as a "broad agreement" is in place pre deadline and there's evidence to support it, the deal could be completed in the first week of July but the club will be allowed to add it into the accounts for the financial year just finished.

[Made In Aston]

28 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said:

It’s done, just not announced 

If it was fully done (with contacts all signed) then it would have been announced.

[nepal_villan]

Still feel there must be some type of buyout in Douglas Luiz’s contract. We extended his previous contract when he had a lot of leverage to insert such a clause - especially as it was done right after Arsenal were in pursuit of him. 
 

I believe we only learned about Grealish’s buyout when Purslow disclosed it, so there is precedent that the media sometimes misses these things. 

[PaulMcGrath_5]

49 minutes ago, Made In Aston said:

If it was fully done (with contacts all signed) then it would have been announced.

Nope.