Captain_Townsend Posted Monday at 09:38 Share Posted Monday at 09:38 All those Juve fans all over his social media posts. Its like seeing lads chatting up your ex 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted Monday at 10:14 Share Posted Monday at 10:14 Article from Manchester Evening News from last year saying there is no sell on clause. I assume it's just part of our negotiation to only value him at £42m as long as the other two were £9m each which is a low fee for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted Monday at 10:15 Share Posted Monday at 10:15 2 hours ago, CVByrne said: How have we only sold him for €50m/£42m seems very very low fee. Same for the two players we're bringing in €22m/£18.4m Is this because we want to minimise the sell on clause? I really don't get this. Without doubt Luiz is worth more than £42m I can see 3 possible benefits of this: 1. Lowers sell on fee to City 2. Lowers amortisation for the 2 new players 3. Lowers agent fees perhaps? Massive downside is lower profit on player sale, which might have forced our hand to sell Kellyman and Tim before end of June. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_AA_786 Posted Monday at 10:47 Share Posted Monday at 10:47 30 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: I can see 3 possible benefits of this: 1. Lowers sell on fee to City 2. Lowers amortisation for the 2 new players 3. Lowers agent fees perhaps? Massive downside is lower profit on player sale, which might have forced our hand to sell Kellyman and Tim before end of June. #2 seems like the biggest reason to me considering the accounts for next year will supposedly be a challenge. Having only small amortization costs for Enzo & SIJ will likely be very helpful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted Tuesday at 04:49 Share Posted Tuesday at 04:49 Unused sub for Brazil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted Tuesday at 05:23 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:23 (edited) 21 hours ago, CVByrne said: How have we only sold him for €50m/£42m seems very very low fee. Same for the two players we're bringing in €22m/£18.4m Is this because we want to minimise the sell on clause? I really don't get this. Without doubt Luiz is worth more than £42m They purchased Luiz for £60.4m and we used £18.4 of that to get Iling Jr and Barranchea. That’s essentially the deal but it has been tweaked to look different for accounting porpoises. Thats my guess. Edited Tuesday at 05:23 by Aston_Villan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted Tuesday at 07:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 07:07 1 hour ago, Aston_Villan4 said: They purchased Luiz for £60.4m and we used £18.4 of that to get Iling Jr and Barranchea. That’s essentially the deal but it has been tweaked to look different for accounting porpoises. Thats my guess. I echo this conclusion. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted Tuesday at 08:00 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:00 (edited) 2 hours ago, Aston_Villan4 said: They purchased Luiz for £60.4m and we used £18.4 of that to get Iling Jr and Barranchea. That’s essentially the deal but it has been tweaked to look different for accounting porpoises. Thats my guess. You are close, but not quite. They paid a world record €228 for Doug, and we paid €100 each for Enzo and Iling but no one got time for that hype and it made Doug uncomfortable being the most expensive player ever, Doug didn’t want to upset Neymar’s fragile ego. So, Villa and Juve agreed to keep the difference in value and reduced the reported fee to the lowest that they could get away with. Now Neymar is happily doing creepy things with his sister, totally unaware that Doug took a massive one for him. Doug’s sacrifice also gave Villa and Juve low amortisation numbers for the books. What both clubs accounts love. everyone wins Doug for being a total stand up guy and the most expensive player in the world Enzo and Iling for finally having a Sutton Coldfield postcode and upgrading their clubs Juve and Villa for essentially declaring 10 quid a month on the books for the 3 of worlds most expensive transfer deals ever and.. Neymar for having a solid friend like Doug Edited Tuesday at 08:08 by CarryOnVilla 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted Tuesday at 09:07 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:07 3 hours ago, Aston_Villan4 said: They purchased Luiz for £60.4m and we used £18.4 of that to get Iling Jr and Barranchea. That’s essentially the deal but it has been tweaked to look different for accounting porpoises. Thats my guess. What on earth does that mean. Tweaked to look different for accounting purposes? Luiz has a value he's sold at in our accounts. There is no magic that can be done it has to be registered and approved and has a price That price is reported as €50m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tubby Posted Tuesday at 10:11 Popular Post Share Posted Tuesday at 10:11 (edited) 4 hours ago, Aston_Villan4 said: They purchased Luiz for £60.4m and we used £18.4 of that to get Iling Jr and Barranchea. That’s essentially the deal but it has been tweaked to look different for accounting porpoises. Thats my guess. It has been widely reported as: €50m for Doug €22m for Iling Jr and Barrenechea So that's roughly £43m for Doug vs. a book value of about £3m, which equates to an accounting profit of £40m. The transactions for the incoming players are treated separately so their value can be amortised over the duration of the contract at ~£1.9m each per year. As separate transactions, they do not impact the Doug transaction other than assisting Juve's cash flow; €50 out, €22m in = net €28m movement. The fee for Doug might be artificially low, but so might the fees for incoming players. The benefits of a reduced fee for Doug are; a) future years amortisation is lower for Juve; b) we pay a reduced sell-on fee to Man Citeh; c) capital gains Tax is lower. Edited Tuesday at 10:12 by Tubby 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted Tuesday at 10:25 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:25 12 minutes ago, Tubby said: It has been widely reported as: €50m for Doug €22m for Iling Jr and Barrenechea So that's roughly £43m for Doug vs. a book value of about £3m, which equates to an accounting profit of £40m. The transactions for the incoming players are treated separately so their value can be amortised over the duration of the contract at ~£1.9m each per year. As separate transactions, they do not impact the Doug transaction other than assisting Juve's cash flow; €50 out, €22m in = net €28m movement. The fee for Doug might be artificially low, but so might the fees for incoming players. The benefits of a reduced fee for Doug are; a) future years amortisation is lower for Juve; b) we pay a reduced sell-on fee to Man Citeh; c) capital gains Tax is lower. I’m genuinely in love with after that lot. That’s the clearest explanation of anything FFP related I’ve ever seen. Thank you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted Tuesday at 11:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:13 47 minutes ago, KevinRichardsonsMoustache said: I’m genuinely in love with after that lot. That’s the clearest explanation of anything FFP related I’ve ever seen. Thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_AA_786 Posted Tuesday at 12:35 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:35 Quote Nicolo Zaniolo believes Douglas Luiz is ‘a great signing’ for Juventus, explaining the qualities of the Aston Villa midfielder, and confirmed his desire to return to Serie A this summer. https://football-italia.net/zaniolo-talks-douglas-luiz-juventus/ Bit of Dougie love from Zaniolo and he comes across as a nice guy who enjoyed his time with us. Hopefully he gets the move he wants 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted Tuesday at 13:42 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:42 4 hours ago, CVByrne said: What on earth does that mean. Tweaked to look different for accounting purposes? Luiz has a value he's sold at in our accounts. There is no magic that can be done it has to be registered and approved and has a price That price is reported as €50m Whale I don’t know. But I can tail you @Tubby hit the nail on the head about the PSR implications part of it. I was trying to say something separate from the PSR part but my brain failed me. Tis irrelevant now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted Wednesday at 08:31 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:31 On 23/06/2024 at 19:08, Demitri_C said: I dont know why but i have a feeling dougie wont like it much in italy and i bet he is back in england in a couple years Back to Villa Park I hope, to eventually play for us in the CL and to hopefully win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted Wednesday at 09:39 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:39 Romano is going to make 50 tweets at this rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted Wednesday at 09:57 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:57 21 hours ago, _AA_786 said: https://football-italia.net/zaniolo-talks-douglas-luiz-juventus/ Bit of Dougie love from Zaniolo and he comes across as a nice guy who enjoyed his time with us. Hopefully he gets the move he wants Think he is looking for a move to Juve as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted Wednesday at 10:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 10:09 23 hours ago, Tubby said: It has been widely reported as: €50m for Doug €22m for Iling Jr and Barrenechea So that's roughly £43m for Doug vs. a book value of about £3m, which equates to an accounting profit of £40m. The transactions for the incoming players are treated separately so their value can be amortised over the duration of the contract at ~£1.9m each per year. As separate transactions, they do not impact the Doug transaction other than assisting Juve's cash flow; €50 out, €22m in = net €28m movement. The fee for Doug might be artificially low, but so might the fees for incoming players. The benefits of a reduced fee for Doug are; a) future years amortisation is lower for Juve; b) we pay a reduced sell-on fee to Man Citeh; c) capital gains Tax is lower. Monchi and the legal/Tax team doing their fancy footwork. Contrary to the impression given, these exchange deals seem to have significant commercial merit, maybe havent seen the end of this this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted Thursday at 07:39 Share Posted Thursday at 07:39 This feels like it was all done weeks ago. Yet it's still not done. Got to be soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted Thursday at 07:40 Share Posted Thursday at 07:40 Just now, Jareth said: This feels like it was all done weeks ago. Yet it's still not done. Got to be soon? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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