479Villan Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 21 minutes ago, CLARETANDBLUEFOXY said: It’s a shame that we can never shake off the “selling club” aspect of our club. Would have been a huge statement had we fought to keep him. We’re in financial straits because of our buying. We aren’t selling because we don’t have a great manager or a stable league position or no CL. Also, who’s to say we didn’t try to keep him and sell others? Maybe those deals can’t be done by 30/6 for whatever reason. Needs must. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, CLARETANDBLUEFOXY said: It’s a shame that we can never shake off the “selling club” aspect of our club. Would have been a huge statement had we fought to keep him. Keeping Martinez and Watkins means nothing, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 8 hours ago, Brumstopdogs said: Hopefully there is still time for the deal to fall through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 minutes ago, Leeroy said: Hopefully there is still time for the deal to fall through. How would you bring in the necessary money instead of selling Luiz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: How would you bring in the necessary money instead of selling Luiz? Sell Duran and Cash. We’re getting very little for Luiz anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 17 minutes ago, Leeroy said: Sell Duran and Cash. We’re getting very little for Luiz anyway. It’s not about cold hard cash. The value of the players involved in the exchange also gets booked against PSR, so £60m approx in total. Not what most of us value him at, but still a lot of money and a price that works for Aston Villa. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) No one likes being forced to sell Dougie but if they can essentially trade him and Duran for Gallagher, Iling and McKennie then, obviously considering context, you’d have to be OK with it as a Villa fan. The squad’s quality remains roughly the same, while the PSR and FFP gods are satisfied. Bonus points for not selling him to a direct rival. Then Monchi and Unai will have room to operate and bring a couple more high level players. Edited June 12 by BG_Villa_Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted June 12 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12 5 minutes ago, Awol said: It’s not about cold hard cash. The value of the players involved in the exchange also gets booked against PSR, so £60m approx in total. Not what most of us value him at, but still a lot of money and a price that works for Aston Villa. …yet people will still ignore or fail to understand this and continue to shout about how cheap we’re selling him 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted June 12 Popular Post Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, villan-scott said: …yet people will still ignore or fail to understand this and continue to shout about how cheap we’re selling him It’s a debating position that relies on wilfully ignoring the facts. Like arguing with a girlfriend when she’s drunk. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted June 12 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12 (edited) 3 hours ago, CLARETANDBLUEFOXY said: It’s a shame that we can never shake off the “selling club” aspect of our club. Would have been a huge statement had we fought to keep him. Every club is a selling club. Don’t forget we were preparing ourselves to see him on his way to Arsenal for around £25m. Less than two years later he’s going for around £60m. So we’re receiving more for him, he’s not going to a direct rival and Villa are in a far healthier situation. Edited June 12 by Mark Albrighton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 minutes ago, BG_Villa_Fan said: The squad’s quality remains roughly the same, while the PSR and FFP gods are satisfied. Onus points for not selling him to a direct rival. Then Minchi and Unai will have room to operate and bring a couple more high level players. Yes, not selling him within the league is a massive plus. He’d improve any of our competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, BG_Villa_Fan said: No one likes being forced to sell Dougie but if they can essentially trade him and Duran for Gallagher, Iling and McKennie then, obviously considering context, you’d have to be OK with it as a Villa fan. Also, clubs aren't forced to sell a player unless that player wants to leave. If Dougie goes to Juve then it's because he wanted to go. It would be nice to think that he was holding onto Emery's legs begging him not to let him go but it just isn't so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 52 minutes ago, Awol said: It’s not about cold hard cash. The value of the players involved in the exchange also gets booked against PSR, so £60m approx in total. Not what most of us value him at, but still a lot of money and a price that works for Aston Villa. It’s about £51m as the figure is in Euros not Pounds. About £20-25m less than his true value I’d say. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Leeroy said: Sell Duran and Cash. We’re getting very little for Luiz anyway. The two players we are bringing in are working towards our PSR targets. Do you really think, if selling just Cash and Duran dealt with out financial issues, we would be selling Luiz also? There is no way we would choose to do this unless our hand was forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 12 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12 51 minutes ago, Awol said: It’s a debating position that relies on wilfully ignoring the facts. Like arguing with a girlfriend when she’s drunk. Or sober 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 12 minutes ago, Leeroy said: It’s about £51m as the figure is in Euros not Pounds. About £20-25m less than his true value I’d say. Not quite. According to Romano we selling him for 65m euros which is £55m His value on tranfermarkt is 70m euros. So we getting 5m euros less for him than we objectively should get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 12 VT Supporter Share Posted June 12 Has it been confirmed? He definitely wants to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 47 minutes ago, TreeVillan said: Also, clubs aren't forced to sell a player unless that player wants to leave. If Dougie goes to Juve then it's because he wanted to go. It would be nice to think that he was holding onto Emery's legs begging him not to let him go but it just isn't so. This isn’t the narrative. He’s not unwilling to move to Juve, correct, but this isn’t him going to the club asking for a move because he’s not happy. It’s not a Christian Eriksen situation. It’s us choosing to sell him over others and he’s accepted it. It doesn’t mean it’s the right decision and that we couldn’t keep him if we wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 5 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: Not quite. According to Romano we selling him for 65m euros which is £55m His value on tranfermarkt is 70m euros. So we getting 5m euros less for him than we objectively should get. Can you post that as I haven’t seen that. I saw the two players they are including valued at €40m and then €20m in cash. Even if £55m is right it’s still about £20m less than his value to us IMO. Transfermarket often undervalues or overvalues players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I suspect selling Luiz isn't just about PSR, as it happens it helps with that, but also it will be about him not signing a new contract, of course we don't know that he won't sign a new contract for sure, but it seems pretty obvious, as he only has two years left on his current deal, so I think we can take it as a given almost, that there would have been an offer on the table but for whatever reason he has decided not to sign, so makes a degree of sense for us to sell before his current deal runs down and he loses even more value. If we were getting decent fees for Cash and Duran, and Luiz was happy to stay and sign a new deal, then I don't think we would be selling him 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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