duke313 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 6 minutes ago, rjenkins said: The idea of Dougie being sold is hard to swallow for a number of a reasons. There's a good core of this squad that have been with us for a number of years now, and it would be tough to let any of those players go. Sacrifices have to be made to progress. Fans are emotionally attached to a lot of these players, but they’re all gonna leave at some point. Some sooner than others. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Deano & Dalian's Umbrella Posted June 5 Popular Post Share Posted June 5 10 minutes ago, imavillan said: I've never heard of him but Matteo Moretto is Tier 1 apparently. Not anymore apparently. Heck is putting more hospitality in Tier 1 and has moved this guy to Tier 2. He sent him an email telling him on Sunday night. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjenkins Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 37 minutes ago, duke313 said: Sacrifices have to be made to progress. Fans are emotionally attached to a lot of these players, but they’re all gonna leave at some point. Some sooner than others. Yes I agree broadly - but in not achieving maximum value we could limit the progress made down the road is the fear. Not sure it counts for anything but Transfermarkt have Dougie's market value at £70m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 42 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Have the old lady heard of Callumbia Chamberosa? Versatile, can play the same positions as Doug and would be alot more affordable at circa 35 - 40 mill 3.5 - 4m would do just fine… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted June 6 VT Supporter Share Posted June 6 I'm actually in brum till tomorrow but I just did the rounds on some italian websites. Most of the articles are from 5/6 days ago, then some more were added a couple of days ago. There seems to be a consensus that Monchi has been in Turin. They all say Luiz is open to a move there (but with no quotes or any evidence) and that we have valued Luiz at €40-60m which Juve want to get down by offering players in exchange, their idea being McKinnie. They value him at €30m, so anywhere from 3/4 to 1/2 of the transfer depending on what the actual agreed valuation of Luiz would be. The more recent articles say that there is agreement between the clubs but that Luiz's wages are now the problem, that he'd have to take a pay cut to join them. I'm not 100% convinced of anything though to be honest, lots of articles seem to take it as fact so maybe they are talking. Sounds like a bad deal from our end if true if you ask me which would be out of character with all our recent business apart from the Gerrard "era". 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Selling him for 50m no matter how you dress it up from a FFP stand point, a sell to invest, a pure profit...it doesn't make any sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 He was never going to Juve. They used his name to leverage on other deals. It’s one of the oldest tactics in football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, romavillan said: I'm actually in brum till tomorrow but I just did the rounds on some italian websites. Most of the articles are from 5/6 days ago, then some more were added a couple of days ago. There seems to be a consensus that Monchi has been in Turin. They all say Luiz is open to a move there (but with no quotes or any evidence) and that we have valued Luiz at €40-60m which Juve want to get down by offering players in exchange, their idea being McKinnie. They value him at €30m, so anywhere from 3/4 to 1/2 of the transfer depending on what the actual agreed valuation of Luiz would be. The more recent articles say that there is agreement between the clubs but that Luiz's wages are now the problem, that he'd have to take a pay cut to join them. I'm not 100% convinced of anything though to be honest, lots of articles seem to take it as fact so maybe they are talking. Sounds like a bad deal from our end if true if you ask me which would be out of character with all our recent business apart from the Gerrard "era". Thanks for this! So Villa take a major hit on the fee and Luiz takes a major hit on his salary and this is going to happen. Not a chance! Just a leverage move because they want Koopmeiners deal but they can’t agree a fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, romavillan said: I'm actually in brum till tomorrow but I just did the rounds on some italian websites. Most of the articles are from 5/6 days ago, then some more were added a couple of days ago. There seems to be a consensus that Monchi has been in Turin. They all say Luiz is open to a move there (but with no quotes or any evidence) and that we have valued Luiz at €40-60m which Juve want to get down by offering players in exchange, their idea being McKinnie. They value him at €30m, so anywhere from 3/4 to 1/2 of the transfer depending on what the actual agreed valuation of Luiz would be. The more recent articles say that there is agreement between the clubs but that Luiz's wages are now the problem, that he'd have to take a pay cut to join them. I'm not 100% convinced of anything though to be honest, lots of articles seem to take it as fact so maybe they are talking. Sounds like a bad deal from our end if true if you ask me which would be out of character with all our recent business apart from the Gerrard "era". Imagine selling Luiz for McKennie and £20m. Lol Im certain that won't be happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted June 6 VT Supporter Share Posted June 6 4 minutes ago, nick76 said: Thanks for this! So Villa take a major hit on the fee and Luiz takes a major hit on his salary and this is going to happen. Not a chance! Just a leverage move because they want Koopmeiners deal but they can’t agree a fee. The only thing that makes me worry is that it seems to be taken as face that Monchi was in Turin. Might be that he was and the rest is all bullshit as it is hard to believe we'd get bent over on price and Luiz would be so desperate to go to a frankly shadow of it's former self Juventus that he'd take a big wage cut. That said there's no actual proof Monchi was in Torino in the first place, might be everyone is conveniently agreeing he did with no evidence to sell papers/get clickthroughs... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, romavillan said: The only thing that makes me worry is that it seems to be taken as face that Monchi was in Turin. Might be that he was and the rest is all bullshit as it is hard to believe we'd get bent over on price and Luiz would be so desperate to go to a frankly shadow of it's former self Juventus that he'd take a big wage cut. That said there's no actual proof Monchi was in Torino in the first place, might be everyone is conveniently agreeing he did with no evidence to sell papers/get clickthroughs... We've been linked to both Bellanova at Torino and Soule from Juve/Frosinone (and Iling-Junior I think). Hopefully it's about them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 23 minutes ago, The_Steve said: He was never going to Juve. They used his name to leverage on other deals. It’s one of the oldest tactics in football. the thing with the links that stood out the most to me was he has 2 years left on his deal i took it more as we're negotiating with him and his agent used Juve's name as leverage juve dont deny it because they're linked with a big signing of a brazilian international from a PL team its what silly season is all about 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSw Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 7 minutes ago, romavillan said: The only thing that makes me worry is that it seems to be taken as face that Monchi was in Turin. Might be that he was and the rest is all bullshit as it is hard to believe we'd get bent over on price and Luiz would be so desperate to go to a frankly shadow of it's former self Juventus that he'd take a big wage cut. That said there's no actual proof Monchi was in Torino in the first place, might be everyone is conveniently agreeing he did with no evidence to sell papers/get clickthroughs... On the other hand.. a few players based in Turin that would improve Villa. Could be that he was there to look into a couple of potential incomings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Does seem the club have always told him if the price is right he can leave and he has been happy with that. If a large bid comes in he’ll leave but I don’t think that bid will come and he’ll sign a new contract. it’s summer of 2022 all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 5 minutes ago, villa4europe said: the thing with the links that stood out the most to me was he has 2 years left on his deal i took it more as we're negotiating with him and his agent used Juve's name as leverage juve dont deny it because they're linked with a big signing of a brazilian international from a PL team its what silly season is all about Unless we get a massive offer or he wants to leave, I’m working on the assumption he’s getting a new deal. The rest is noise. Hopefully the Euros will give things for people to focus on instead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HalfTimePost Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Original. From a podcaster, believe he used to work at Bleacher Report until they went out on their own. Though weirdly, Sam Tighe, who is on the same podcast is the Villa fan, so weird it hasn't come from him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 £50 million is way too low... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 12 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: £50 million is way too low... Not if the reports that we have to sell someone by the end of June it isn't, beggars can't be choosers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 8 minutes ago, duke313 said: Not if the reports that we have to sell someone by the end of June it isn't, beggars can't be choosers. The question is still do we still have a preJune problem? I’m still not convinced we have, it’s all just guess work or clickbait imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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