duke313 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: By getting 2 players of close to equal quality for each position and then we will have competition. Having 2 players that have a big gulf in class in their respective abilities is not having competition for places as one will simply be backup Digne isn't exactly the Messi of left backs, he's a good player but he's not an elite player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Just now, duke313 said: Digne isn't exactly the Messi of left backs, he's a good player but he's not an elite player. I am not suggesting he is but the gulf in class between him and Targett make Targett a backup LB and not genuine competition for the LB position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpablosaliceband Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: If we can't expect people to try and fight for their places against seemingly superior competition, how exactly are we supposed to build a squad with "2 quality players at every position"? That’s the challenge. We are probably not a big enough pull yet for good players to be happy sitting on the bench. Having said that, we already have some very good players on our bench, particularly in midfield and attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: By getting 2 players of close to equal quality for each position and then we will have competition. Having 2 players that have a big gulf in class in their respective abilities is not having competition for places as one will simply be backup That's a completely unrealistic expectation. How many clubs in the world genuinely have that? How many that aren't even able to offer European football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david-avfc Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) No problem with Matt Targett from me, he wants game time and should be lauded for that when so many others are happy to sit on contracts without contributing. Realistically we aren’t paying £25m + wages for a ready made PL left back just to give Targett a chance, no matter how much people say “he should fight for his place”, as soon as Digne came in Targett was never going to get a look in regardless so he might as well leave now. If he does well for Newcastle hopefully it keeps his transfer value high for when we inevitably cash in. Edited February 17, 2022 by david-avfc 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david-avfc Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: If we can't expect people to try and fight for their places against seemingly superior competition, how exactly are we supposed to build a squad with "2 quality players at every position"? The “2 quality players at every position” is a bit of a fallacy. If we were in Europe we could rotate, but if it’s just the league and the occasional early round of the cups then there just isn’t enough games to come close to satisfying that many quality players, if they all have the right mentality. Look at the problems signing Ings caused with trying to accommodate him and Watkins, it got our last manager sacked. Of course we need options and competition in the squad, but there’s the need for the right balance. There’s nothing wrong with having key players who are clearly first choice where rotation would difficult to achieve or even just disruptive Edited February 17, 2022 by david-avfc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, lexicon said: That's a completely unrealistic expectation. How many clubs in the world genuinely have that? How many that aren't even able to offer European football? I disagree and lots of clubs have 2 players of similar quality for positions. My post says to have two players of close to equal ability and not two players that are elite players. The is the only way possible to get competition for places. Anything else is just a backup player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 59 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: I am not suggesting he is but the gulf in class between him and Targett make Targett a backup LB and not genuine competition for the LB position Would you really say there’s a ‘gulf in class’ between Targett and Digne? I’d say Digne is an upgrade… but gulf in class is a bit of an exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 We will get a big, £22-24m fee for him in the summer. He is a solid player on a long contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 47 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said: I disagree and lots of clubs have 2 players of similar quality for positions. My post says to have two players of close to equal ability and not two players that are elite players. The is the only way possible to get competition for places. Anything else is just a backup player Name 5 clubs that have two players of close to equal ability in every position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Wouldn’t be surprised if a few more players wanted out in summer. The one with the least game time of Watkins and Ings, possibly Bailey if he ends up second fiddle to Buendia, definitely Mings if Gerrard brings in a high profile CB. Maintaining depth will remain difficult unless you can offer perks like ridiculous wages, guaranteed trophies or european football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Not the brightest eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, lexicon said: Name 5 clubs that have two players of close to equal ability in every position. Birmingham City, all the players are the same ability and all officially classified as shit! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Peter Griffin said: I disagree and lots of clubs have 2 players of similar quality for positions. My post says to have two players of close to equal ability and not two players that are elite players. The is the only way possible to get competition for places. Anything else is just a backup player As someone else said LB is somewhat specialised with not a lot of rotation though The 2 players in competition thing I'd expect to be more like what we'll hopefully have at RB with Kesler potentially coming through, a young guy pushing him for his place Not a guy who's older, more experienced and better, completely agree that Targett and Digne is not a competition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Have I stumbled into a Facebook group with a bunch of 14 year olds? "He's a pussy!" "He's weak!". Jesus. Grow up. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: Not the brightest eh? Clearly a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: Not the brightest eh? He always strikes me as a bit of a village idiot. I’ve got nothing against him but I’m glad we have upgraded our left back position. Hopefully we can screw Newcastle for a King’s ransom for him in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, nick76 said: Birmingham City, all the players are the same ability and all officially classified as shit! Add the Baggies to that too. They have even carried the philosophy through to the management teams and have Bruce and Brucie bonus Alex Bruce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 54 minutes ago, villa4europe said: As someone else said LB is somewhat specialised with not a lot of rotation though The 2 players in competition thing I'd expect to be more like what we'll hopefully have at RB with Kesler potentially coming through, a young guy pushing him for his place Not a guy who's older, more experienced and better, completely agree that Targett and Digne is not a competition Yeah, I agree, different positions need to be treated somewhat differently and absolutely agree about Kesler coming through, that is the ideal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, The_Steve said: Not the brightest eh? If he has said and done that - what an idiot. But that tactical genius line makes me think it's all fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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