zab6359 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Bournemouth is key. Watford are 3rd behind Liverpool and Man City in the form table last 8 games. People just looking at position on the table and ignoring current form. Need Sarr out to have a chance I think Sarr out would be huge he had Targett in his back pocket at there place, absolutely terrorised him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just now, zab6359 said: Sarr out would be huge he had Targett in his back pocket at there place, absolutely terrorised him! Just looked up he's mostly only come in starting last 10 games and unbeaten in 7 of those. Clearly big factor in revival and Watford forum they saying the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, zab6359 said: Sarr out would be huge he had Targett in his back pocket at there place, absolutely terrorised him! Any winger with the slightest amount of pace terrorises Targett. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Hornso said: We've taken 6 points off Norwich, 4 off each of Brighton & Burnley, 3 off each of Everton & Newcastle and 1 off each of United & West Ham. I know it's great to get the better of the sides around us, but to stay up we're going to have to pick up a few wins against sides we're not expected to beat because everyone else seems to be doing it. I think this is dead right. Out of the current bottom 6 clubs, we have the worst record of all against the current top 6. We’ve taken 1 point from 7 matches And conceded 21 goals. Even Norwich (4 Pts) and Bournemouth (6) have done better than that which is partly why they are just about still in the mix. It’s essential we pick up some more points from the top sides. Chelsea and Man U are the most vulnerable. Lots of people, including the manager, said after the Man C debacle, “our season won’t be defined by a defeat by Man City”, implying that points lost to top 6 sides are not relevant to the relegation battle. They may just be wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordVillan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, briny_ear said: I think this is dead right. Out of the current bottom 6 clubs, we have the worst record of all against the current top 6. We’ve taken 1 point from 7 matches And conceded 21 goals. Even Norwich (4 Pts) and Bournemouth (6) have done better than that which is partly why they are just about still in the mix. It’s essential we pick up some more points from the top sides. Chelsea and Man U are the most vulnerable. Lots of people, including the manager, said after the Man C debacle, “our season won’t be defined by a defeat by Man City”, implying that points lost to top 6 sides are not relevant to the relegation battle. They may just be wrong. Complete agreement with that final paragraph. I think it’s a psychological mistake to speak about the top teams as he has done, it gives the players an excuse/reason to lose. We must do better against one or two of the established big clubs, must gain some points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) I think maybe we are getting a warped view of our games against the top 6 as most of those results were away. Nobody has points against Liverpool (H or A) either, aside from Man U. So i think a fairer comparison is who in the bottom 6 teams has points away at the top 6? So here you go Current bottom 6 --------Points won / available v top 6 (H)----------Points won / available v top 6 (A)-------------- TOTAL Played w/d/l-----left to play Brighton-------------------------2 / 9 (D vs Wolves & D vs Chelsea)-----------------------------------0 / 12----------------------------------------7 - 0/2/5----------------- 3 (H) 2 (A) West Ham --------------------------------3 / 6 (W vs Man U) ----------------------------------- 3 / 9 (W vs Chelsea)------------------------------5 - 2/0/3----------------- 4 (H) 3 (A) Watford --------------------------6 / 9 (W vs Man U, W vs Wolves) ---------------------------------- 0 / 12------------------------------------------ 7 - 2/0/5---------------- 3 (H) 2 (A) Aston Villa ---------------------------------------------- 0 / 9 -------------------------------------------- 1 / 12 (D vs Man U)----------------------------- 7 - 0/1/6---------------- 3 (H) 2(A) Bournemouth --------------------------- 3 /12 (W vs Man U) ----------------------------------- 3 / 6 (W vs Chelsea)--------------------------- 6 - 2/0/4----------------- 2 (H) 4 (A) Norwich ------------------------------------ 3 / 9 (W vs Man C) ------------- -----------------------1 / 12 (D vs Leicester)------------------------ 7 - 1/1/6----------------- 3 (H) 2 (A) So for me a key stat there is although we have lost 6 of 7 games against the current top 6 we actually only have 2 away from home left (Liverpool & Leicester). The rest are at home & if you look at the points gained in the home games of our relegation rivals most have been at home to Wolves & Man U with a few also getting points home & away against Chelsea. So those games have to be a target for points for us too. Edited January 20, 2020 by danceoftheshamen correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1884 Posted January 20, 2020 Visiting Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2020 20 hours ago, VillaChris said: Hopefully Leicester won't just donate three points to West Ham aswell on Wednesday, that's all we need. Ever since we beat you at the start of December we have been absolute guff apart from 2 games around New Year Fully expecting West Ham to get at least a draw from us on Wednesday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, danceoftheshamen said: I think maybe we are getting a warped view of our games against the top 6 as most of those results were away. Nobody has points against Liverpool (H or A) either, aside from Man U. So i think a fairer comparison is who in the bottom 6 teams has points away at the top 6? So here you go Current bottom 6 --------Points won / available v top 6 (H)----------Points won / available v top 6 (A)-------------- TOTAL Played w/d/l-----left to play Brighton-------------------------2 / 9 (D vs Wolves & D vs Chelsea)-----------------------------------0 / 12----------------------------------------7 - 0/2/5----------------- 3 (H) 2 (A) West Ham --------------------------------3 / 6 (W vs Man U) ----------------------------------- 3 / 9 (W vs Chelsea)------------------------------5 - 2/0/3----------------- 4 (H) 3 (A) Watford --------------------------6 / 9 (W vs Man U, W vs Wolves) ---------------------------------- 0 / 12------------------------------------------ 7 - 2/0/5---------------- 3 (H) 2 (A) Aston Villa ---------------------------------------------- 0 / 6 -------------------------------------------- 1 / 12 (D vs Man U)----------------------------- 6 - 0/1/6---------------- 4 (H) 2(A) Bournemouth --------------------------- 3 /12 (W vs Man U) ----------------------------------- 3 / 6 (W vs Chelsea)--------------------------- 6 - 2/0/4----------------- 2 (H) 4 (A) Norwich -------------------------------------------- 0 / 9 ----------------------------------------------------1 / 12 (D vs Leicester)----------------------- 7 - 0/1/6----------------- 3 (H) 2 (A) So for me a key stat there is although we have lost 5 of 6 games against the current top 6 we actually only have 2 away from home left (Liverpool & Leicester). The rest are at home & if you look at the points gained in the home games of our relegation rivals most have been at home to Wolves & Man U with a few also getting points home & away against Chelsea. So those games have to be a target for points for us too. I think those stats may benefit from a quick check. We’ve played 3 top 6 sides at home: Liverpool 1-2, Leicester 1-4, Man C 1-6. And 4 away: Man C 0-3, Wolves 1-2, Man U 2-2 and Chelsea 1-2. You also seem to have overlooked Norwich’s 3-2 defeat of Man C at Carrow Road. Re-present the stats all you want but it doesn’t get away from the basic point that we need to get some points off top 6 sides. Edited January 20, 2020 by briny_ear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, briny_ear said: Re-present the stats all you want but it doesn’t get away from the basic point that we need to get some pints off top 6 sides. sounds like a plan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 19/01/2020 at 15:57, StefanAVFC said: Unbelievable. Teams beating us (Chelsea/Leicester) and losing to our rivals. Hate this league. Lampard is getting rave reviews but he's doing a shit job IMO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Chelsea have only taken two more points than us from the last ten games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, briny_ear said: I think those stats may benefit from a quick check. We’ve played 3 top 6 sides at home: Liverpool 1-2, Leicester 1-4, Man C 1-6. And 4 away: Man C 0-3, Wolves 1-2, Man U 2-2 and Chelsea 1-2. You also seem to have overlooked Norwich’s 3-2 defeat of Man C at Carrow Road. Re-present the stats all you want but it doesn’t get away from the basic point that we need to get some points off top 6 sides. Thanks for the correction Briny, I think my point is that hardly any of the bottom 6 have gotten more points away against the to 6 than we have (Only West Ham & Bournemouth both of who beat Chelsea away). In fact both Watford & Brighton have less than us with Norwich matching our solitary away point. It is still poor of course but it is a record we have a chance of putting right over the run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Fox1884 said: Ever since we beat you at the start of December we have been absolute guff apart from 2 games around New Year Fully expecting West Ham to get at least a draw from us on Wednesday You did beat them over xmas with a virtual reserve team IIRC but yes certainly dipped although the incredible winning run wasn't sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 6 hours ago, danceoftheshamen said: I think maybe we are getting a warped view of our games against the top 6 as most of those results were away. I pointed this out last season. I think we can get results against some of the "bigger" teams at home in run in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Lampard is getting rave reviews but he's doing a shit job IMO Ultimately how good are Chelsea really? Let's not forget they lost Hazard in the summer and couldn't replace him in the usual manner of a CL club when that happens e.g. spunking 100 odd million on 3-4 players. I thought last season they were really poor under Sarri after xmas. Look how bad their away form was. Somehow finished 3rd despite only winning two of their last six games as Spurs, Man. United and Arsenal were even worse in the run in. They were never going to be up there with Liverpool and Man. City. Ultimately to me finishing top 4 which they should comfortably do and being in CL knock outs (finished above Ajax in their group) is a good season for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Just watching West Brom v Stoke. Man I really don't want to go down just for the refs. They are all absolutely trash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, VillaChris said: Ultimately how good are Chelsea really? Let's not forget they lost Hazard in the summer and couldn't replace him in the usual manner of a CL club when that happens e.g. spunking 100 odd million on 3-4 players. I thought last season they were really poor under Sarri after xmas. Look how bad their away form was. Somehow finished 3rd despite only winning two of their last six games as Spurs, Man. United and Arsenal were even worse in the run in. They were never going to be up there with Liverpool and Man. City. Ultimately to me finishing top 4 which they should comfortably do and being in CL knock outs (finished above Ajax in their group) is a good season for them. I wouldn't go so far as to say it would be a good season for them, average is more like. 4th place is probably where most people expected them to finish at the start of the season anyway, at least according to some bookies. Edited January 20, 2020 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floody555 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Looking at the remaining games I can only see us picking up 13pts realistically. Hopefully 35pts to stay in the Prem' is enough this year, as it is pretty close upto 9th UTV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Interesting. In 14/15 season after 23 games Leicester were bottom of the table on 17pts. What happened next will shock you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted January 21, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Interesting. In 14/15 season after 23 games Leicester were bottom of the table on 17pts. What happened next will shock you... Norwich to win the league next season! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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