maqroll Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 5 hours ago, lapal_fan said: Best transfer window since ash young and Carew signed.. probably BETTER. It's been unbelievable quite honestly, and I just hope that, whatever the result at spurs, the fans stay firmly behind the team. I've got whiplash trying to keep up with these signings. Unbelievable. And it looks like we've not finished! I'm giddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dudevillaisnice Posted July 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2019 Buying PL players with our budget would get us what - maybe 2 or 3 of the required level we are after? It’s a complete non starter. Even the absolute top championship players are too expensive look at Butland. This approach we have taken might not work of course not but what was the alternative? Keeping the older players we let go who don’t have the ability to cover the pitch let alone run on the pitch isn’t an option as I am about 99% sure we would come straight back down. I am quietly confident the majority will do well here, I don’t think they will all succeed but then they don’t really need to if we stay up - it’s job done. The problem is people look at Fulham last season and think we are doing the same but it’s a lazy comparison as absolutely nothing is identical. I’m not even sure they had many of the signings through the door at this point. Watford during the 15/16 season when they got promoted spent around £75m, Capoue was the only PL player they had bought. I don’t think Wolves got in any PL players when they got promoted either. I do wonder if Big Sam had the same concerns back then? Or with Wolves when they got promoted? 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 It's nice to know that if we are struggling near the bottom of the table come the new year, our owners will probably splash so serious cash to plug any leaks. Honestly, I think we're up to stay for a long, long time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 26, 2019 8 hours ago, rjw63 said: I'm young now you cheeky word removed Relative to your Rover maybe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted July 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: We will finish above Bournemouth Everton Watford Southampton Brighton Palace Wham Norwich Sheffield Newcastle Burnley. That's already 9th I don’t think we will. We’ve invested a lot of money to give ourselves a chance of survival really, but it’s still a big task to get everyone integrated and working well together from day one. Finishing 17th would be absolutely fine. Setting expectations as to be finishing at least 9th in our first season back is just asking for disappointment. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, bobzy said: I don’t think we will. We’ve invested a lot of money to give ourselves a chance of survival really, but it’s still a big task to get everyone integrated and working well together from day one. Finishing 17th would be absolutely fine. Setting expectations as to be finishing at least 9th in our first season back is just asking for disappointment. I think we'll finish higher than 9th actually. European places Edited July 26, 2019 by Kiwivillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveAV1 Posted July 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: I think we'll finish higher than 9th actually. European places Old codgers like Fat Sam are talking us down, saying things like we haven’t got enough PL experience and have changed too many players etc. Good footballers that are well coached and have confidence in what they are trying to achieve will thrive in any league. We have an incredibly strong support staff now, with a culture that runs right through the club. Everyone is pulling in the right direction and that is a very powerful thing. We won’t win every game, but the fact that we will try to win every game shouldn’t be underestimated. There seems to be a general belief that we are only allowed to just about survive because we’re a newly promoted team, which is absolute nonsense. Nobody that works for AVFC believes that, least of all NSWE. We’re not here to survive, we’re here to surpass. We didn’t come to kiss ass, we intend to kick ass. And we definitely aren’t asking anyone’s permission to do either. Light the blue touch paper! Edited July 26, 2019 by DaveAV1 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: "Avoiding relegation would be a massive achievement for Villa this season." Don't understand why that's unreasonable. I completely agree whoever wrote that. People need to get a bit realistic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 33 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: I think we'll finish higher than 9th actually. European places Hence my post saying “at least”. It’s a crazy expectation. Could it happen? Yes. Is it likely? Nope. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Survival this season is good. Finishing somewhere around 14th is great. Finishing top half would be excellent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Interesting read .... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49099670 Quote Researchers at University of Manchester have crunched the data to reveal how long it takes players arriving in the Premier League from other European leagues to find their form. They looked back at in-depth performance data spanning several seasons for players moving between the continent's six top leagues. For each player they assessed how those indicators were affected by their transfer to a new club. The bad news for forwards from Dutch and French clubs is that they took the longest to adjust, playing an average of 18 games before they reached their previous level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Villarocker said: Survival this season is good. Finishing somewhere around 14th is great. Finishing top half would be excellent. Honestly some of the teams in the PL are junk. Newcastle has Bruce. Wolves have Europe. Everton look to have lost Gueye and probably Zouma. Palace will suck if they lose Zaha. I think some teams will regress. I'm really supremely confident with a couple more additions if we got say Butland and another quality striker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Honestly some of the teams in the PL are junk. Newcastle has Bruce. Wolves have Europe. Everton look to have lost Gueye and probably Zouma. Palace will suck if they lose Zaha. I think some teams will regress. I'm really supremely confident with a couple more additions if we got say Butland and another quality striker Dont go crazy with the expectation..I think 9th is unrealistic at this stage as many have never played PL football. I think staying up is the main goal anything above 17th is a bonus for me.this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 We are essentially buying a new team and expect them to gel in the space of 2-4 weeks, while competing in arguably the least forgiving and most competitive football league in the world. I think people talking about anything, but a survival campaign are being slightly too ambitious. We got promoted by a play off and weren't even the 3rd or 4th best team in the championship. We lost the core of the team, and while we recovered some loans, Axel and Tammy are still not here, so new relations have to be built. It's imperative we don't walk into this season thinking we are in for anything but a fight to stay out of relegation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Just now, KenjiOgiwara said: We are essentially buying a new team and expect them to gel in the space of 2-4 weeks, while competing in arguably the least forgiving and most competitive football league in the world. I think people talking about anything, but a survival campaign are being slightly too ambitious. We got promoted by a play off and weren't even the 3rd or 4th best team in the championship. We lost the core of the team, and while we recovered some loans, Axel and Tammy are still not here, so new relations have to be built. It's imperative we don't walk into this season thinking we are in for anything but a fight to stay out of relegation. I agree to an extent. But smith didnt take long to implement his style when he first arrived. It will take a bit of time with so many newbies but I think once they click this team has bags of potential. I certainly think we have a better chance of staying up ahead of Norwich and Sheffield United. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Winning the league would be excellent. But as long as we survive then I think that will be job well done four our first season back. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Survival is the key and it will be tough at times saying that the mid table is so compact that we conceivably finish in 9th/10th just like the Houillier season if we finish the season strong . No expectations just gunna enjoy it no matter what .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I certainly think we have a better chance of staying up ahead of Norwich and Sheffield United. You see, I don't think so. Spending money on players does not equate to getting a good football team. I am hopeful Smith gets it right, but at the moment I am certain we are miles behind them. They were the better teams in the championship, they by large could keep their core of players and relations intact and have some what added to that core with quality. At the moment I'd say the realistic person will have them in a better position than us. But that's an interesting point actually, what does the betting companies say about this? What's the respective odds for survival for the respective teams mentioned here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post New_Hope Posted July 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2019 I've said all along that to survive with a young team with bags of potential is totally acceptable. We finish 17th with this team and keep it together for another season, we will finish way higher than that the season after without too much reinforcing. This summer has seen us set up a squad with probably around 5 seasons of sustainability. If we survive, our next additions will probably be the 1,2 or 3 players of exceptional/world class ability that will help to push us on. For me, this summer just feels totally different to previous rebuilds i.e. MON and Sherwood's rebuilds. Under MON, he always did his business late (deadline day) and we were always saying about getting players in early to adjust with team tactics etc. Plus we were always fleeced by other teams because of the 'buy British' policy he implemented. I mean £7m for Nigel Reo Coker!!! £15m for Curtis Davies!!! Sherwood's rebuild seemed to be done without any serious planning, preparation or diligence on players to be procured and also the fact that he was a total cockwomble of a manager without any idea of how to play or develop a squad. This summer feels like we have been smart...good scouting, planning and diligence. Players who have either been team mates or have worked with the manager before or that can play to the system we are developing. Yes some players have cost a lot and that comes with risk but then so does any expensive transfer. Pogba hasn't exactly set United alight has he?? IMO....I think with the squad we have assembled this summer, we will finish comfortably between 10th and 15th which will be excellent considering we had around 5 consecutive years of looking over our shoulder or fighting in the bottom 3. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted July 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2019 I just hope those that have high optimism don't start bringing negativity towards the players and manager if we are 17th/18th at christmas. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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