Jon Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 9 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: A majority of this country are conservative supporters and have been for the last 50 years.They are going to have to reflect that. Really? As others have noted, the tories have never in recent history achieved 50% of the vote. Factor in the none voters, and the proportion of the population voting tory is signicantly less again. You'd be looking at about 30% or less of the population voting for them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 6 hours ago, bickster said: First of all, no this country does not have a majority of Conservative voters, not once in anyone’s lifetime have they got more than 50% of the votes. Secondly, even if the country did have that, the whole point of the BBC is to be unbiased, not biased to what way they think the country votes.Thats just a ridiculous notion. Conservative with a small c.I wasn’t talking necessarily about what party people vote for in a particular election.Many people who voted for Blair probably voted for Cameron.They favour middle of the road,retain the status quo.The BBC cannot be seen to be too far away from that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meregreen Posted January 20 Popular Post Share Posted January 20 7 minutes ago, Only2McInallys said: Conservative with a small c.I wasn’t talking necessarily about what party people vote for in a particular election.Many people who voted for Blair probably voted for Cameron.They favour middle of the road,retain the status quo.The BBC cannot be seen to be too far away from that position. There are no Conservatives with a small c anymore. They’re all C***s with a capital C. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: You had 70 million people to choose from to not be establishment, and you went for Hanif Kureishi, Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire? So other figures you can lambast must Bernardino Evaristo,Jeanette Winterson Mark Rylance etc very much establishment figures. I must admit whenever I hear of some writer or musician accepting those honours a small part of me dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Only2McInallys said: So other figures you can lambast must Bernardino Evaristo,Jeanette Winterson Mark Rylance etc very much establishment figures. I must admit whenever I hear of some writer or musician accepting those honours a small part of me dies. Woah, I haven’t lambasted him! I said I enjoyed his work. Just thought it worth pointing out your choice of someone that wasn’t establishment approved was a Commander of the British Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 My lad is 13 and as an insult they’ll call people a Tory. They also use the term in football a “Brexit tackle” where something is just a badly timed lunge which gets nowhere the ball. The current Conservatives certainly have influenced the youth of today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 When did bias present with a sliding scale, surely it's binary? It's either biased or it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 20 Author Moderator Share Posted January 20 5 hours ago, meregreen said: Is it? I was simply highlighting a genuinely biased TV outlet as opposed to the BBC. I could just as easily chosen a State owned Broadcaster from another country. Poland, Hungary, Russia and many others are examples of many that lost, or never had, a claim to be truly impartial from Government influence. Look. I get the BBC ain’t perfect, but to read some on here, they are being overly critical in my view.There’s a reason the Tories hate the BBC, they can’t control its output to the extent they would like, long may it remain so. You’re missing the point somewhat. There are state broadcasters and public broadcasters, public broadcasters are free from political interference. Russia, Hungary and Poland don't have any public broadcasters that I’m aware of. Lots of countries do though. France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, Spain, Ireland… The problem is that the BBC news output is veering towards state and away from public. You only have to look at say how Question Time audiences were rigged in the run up to Brexit, the political appointments to the BBC board etc, the ludicrously biased Laura K to see this. The Tories don't like it because they are programmed not to because of what it is. Nationalised, not for profit, funded by licence payers etc. You rarely see them complain about its content these days and when you do it’s generally Tory mentalist logic and not based in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 23 hours ago, Dodgyknees said: Congratulations to our own @Mantis for getting a job as regional editor with the BBC! Huh??? Edited January 20 by Mantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 21 Author Moderator Share Posted January 21 20 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: Conservative with a small c.I wasn’t talking necessarily about what party people vote for in a particular election.Many people who voted for Blair probably voted for Cameron.They favour middle of the road,retain the status quo.The BBC cannot be seen to be too far away from that position. The BBC shouldn't have “a position”, that isn’t it's role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 21 Moderator Share Posted January 21 15 hours ago, bickster said: You only have to look at say how Question Time audiences were rigged in the run up to Brexit, That’s a red herring, in terms of government bias. The government was “remain”. The BBC as you say gave undue prominence to Leave, but it wasn’t a pro government position. It was (arguably) reflective of the actual view nationally in England, despite being the opposite of government view, officially. It was a massive failure by the BBC to be so incurious about the potential consequences, so unsceptical and free pass in coverage, but it’s no example of pro Tory bias. It’s an example of a lost sense of purpose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 21 Author Moderator Share Posted January 21 22 minutes ago, blandy said: That’s a red herring, in terms of government bias. The government was “remain”. The BBC as you say gave undue prominence to Leave, but it wasn’t a pro government position. It was (arguably) reflective of the actual view nationally in England, despite being the opposite of government view, officially. It was a massive failure by the BBC to be so incurious about the potential consequences, so unsceptical and free pass in coverage, but it’s no example of pro Tory bias. It’s an example of a lost sense of purpose. I broadly agree with the sentiment (agree re govt vs Leave) but when you have the Audience Producer openly courting and inviting EDL members to audiences, that isn’t anywhere near representing the general population, the audience could be a couple of thousand and one EDL member in there would be over representative. If one thing came out of that whole fiasco it was that QT now has a more transparent process but around then, they even refused FOI requests on how the audiences were composed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 21 Moderator Share Posted January 21 17 minutes ago, bickster said: I broadly agree with the sentiment (agree re govt vs Leave) but when you have the Audience Producer openly courting and inviting EDL members to audiences, that isn’t anywhere near representing the general population, the audience could be a couple of thousand and one EDL member in there would be over representative. If one thing came out of that whole fiasco it was that QT now has a more transparent process but around then, they even refused FOI requests on how the audiences were composed. Yeah, exactly. Tubes being tubes. It was a major failure. It’s just not an example of pro government bias, or pro Tory bias. It’s an example of media clearings in the woods being clearings in the woods, something that for all its strengths the BBC is prone to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 21 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21 2 hours ago, blandy said: Yeah, exactly. Tubes being tubes. It was a major failure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Could really go in the Tory thread. Culture secretary on sky news this morning, making a case the BBC is biased against them. When asked where's the evidence, the response was that they're perceived to be biased, that the report they're making doesn't contain any single incident. Please don't let the Tories kill the BBC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 22 Author Moderator Share Posted January 22 Ah so the above was the story… Walked into the living room with Sky News on and Kay Burley is defending the BBC over impartiality and so was the person in the studio…. I was convinced I was in a parrallel universe Sky News defending the BBC over impartiality and saying the evidence is that there is no evidence Just really odd to see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: Could really go in the Tory thread. Culture secretary on sky news this morning, making a case the BBC is biased against them. When asked where's the evidence, the response was that they're perceived to be biased, that the report they're making doesn't contain any single incident. Please don't let the Tories kill the BBC. I almost felt sorry for her there, almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 42 minutes ago, bickster said: Ah so the above was the story… Walked into the living room with Sky News on and Kay Burley is defending the BBC over impartiality and so was the person in the studio…. I was convinced I was in a parrallel universe Sky News defending the BBC over impartiality and saying the evidence is that there is no evidence Just really odd to see Was she defending them? She seemed to be just pointing out the difference between evidence, perception and a mistake. As usual, the Tories are not big on details like evidence to support their decision making. Edited January 22 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 She mentioned on R4 this morning that she had ‘noted’ the style and content of BBC’s coverage of her report this morning. He asked her several times what was wrong with the coverage, if she took issue with anything. By the end he had her saying categorically there was absolutely nothing wrong with any of the coverage in any way. Unfortunately, this sort of incident, a Tory being called out and made to look amateur is actually exactly what she meant. It’s not accuracy they are after, it’s a softer ride for themselves. Unfortunately for them, their cheek has become lazy and incompetent at the same time as the other cheek has sorted itself out sufficiently not to be constantly undermined. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 51 minutes ago, Genie said: Was she defending them? She seemed to be just pointing out the difference between evidence, perception and a mistake. As usual, the Tories are not big on details like evidence to support their decision making. I think Kay Burley was rightly defending the BBC. The government minister had clearly come on unprepared with no evidence to support the claims the report makes that there is an issue with impartiality at the BBC, looking to confirm a narrative, and simply fell to pieces under when scrutinized. It's a great interview, as it should undermine any report into BBC impartiality that follows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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