Vive_La_Villa Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Well they ain't going Thomas cook for a dingy and life jacket are they??? Oh the smugglers! Yeh that's an International problem. Hardly one to blame on immigrants. Edited August 4 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted August 4 Popular Post Share Posted August 4 8 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I didn't think they were illegals?? To be fair, definately they are not to blame but they certainly haven't helped. But do we blame the Tories for not dealing with the organised crime gangs putting them on the boats at least? The far right are rioting because the country has been told daily that the countries woes are down to the small boats. We’ve all been told for years that it’s the priority of the Prime Minister to stop them. If they stopped tomorrow how do you think yours, mine, your neighbours, your aunty or your second cousins life would change? Its gaslighting of the highest order. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted August 4 Popular Post Share Posted August 4 Couple of mates of mine have said i should avoid the Villa until this blows over. I'd like to think it's all calmed down by the 24th but still quite sad to hear someone suggest that. just about to go for a walk which I do most days and my wife didn't want me to go. This is how fear spreads. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted August 4 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 4 (edited) I'm sorry @Rugeley Villa. If you can't see that The Tories have been fabricating the conditions for this to happen you just don't want to see it. They are every bit as culpable as The EDL, Reform, Laurence Fox, The Football Lads and any other piece of right wing racist scum. They've spent years making the poor, poorer, dismantling societal support mechanisms and trumpeting about immigration as a distraction which has been the political equivalent of building the bonfire, stacking it high, adding a bit of petrol before casually leaving a box of matches next to a bunch of bored local kids. Edited August 4 by sidcow 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 11 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Oh the smugglers! Yeh that's an International problem. Hardly one to blame on immigrants. You can't blame the immigrants? ****** me! Again the defence is is a joke. I don't blame them if they are escaping persecution, most aren't, but now one will admit that either. Coming over by illegal means, but not illegal. Paying smugglers, but it's not there fault. Cars being stolen all the time. Can't blame the thieves though, shouldn't be easy to steal. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted August 4 VT Supporter Share Posted August 4 2 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: Nah you can’t put this on the Tories man From someone who worked alongside three of the previous four PMs. Quote The Conservative government left the UK wide open to the far-right violence erupting across parts of the country by ignoring red flags and stoking fires with a culture war agenda, a senior adviser on extremism to Tory prime ministers has said. Dame Sara Khan, who was Rishi Sunak’s independent adviser for social cohesion and resilience until May this year and acted as counter-extremism commissioner under both Theresa May and Boris Johnson, said the recent administrations had failed the British people. More on link Guardian link 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 6 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: You can't blame the immigrants? ****** me! Again the defence is is a joke. I don't blame them if they are escaping persecution, most aren't, but now one will admit that either. Coming over by illegal means, but not illegal. Paying smugglers, but it's not there fault. Cars being stolen all the time. Can't blame the thieves though, shouldn't be easy to steal. If you honestly blame immigration for the countries problems then you're the problem mate. I guess I'm just lucky my family were able to get here when the country was desperate for help. Should they be entering a country illegally? No. Blame them for trying to give their families better lives? Nah, can't agree with that. Edited August 4 by Vive_La_Villa 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 21 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Oh the smugglers! Yeh that's an International problem. Hardly one to blame on immigrants. 6 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: You can't blame the immigrants? ****** me! Again the defence is is a joke. I don't blame them if they are escaping persecution, most aren't, but now one will admit that either. Coming over by illegal means, but not illegal. Paying smugglers, but it's not there fault. Cars being stolen all the time. Can't blame the thieves though, shouldn't be easy to steal. 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: If you honestly blame immigration for the countries problems then you're the problem mate. You're not both going to agree on much on this topic, I suspect, but I think you're just talking past one another here, blaming the specific immigrants who take the boats and fund the gangs isn't the same as blaming all immigrants for it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannedfromHandV Posted August 4 Popular Post Share Posted August 4 30 minutes ago, bickster said: Well as you mention it, I was literally about to post it an another topic but it’s just as relevant here. I haven’t done the research to back up why but I think most of the troubles in the past decade can be fundamentally traced back to Russia. Trump, Brexit, racial/gender/sexuality wars (general social disruption) has been orchestrated through social media manipulation, and I’d bet my years salary that it’s Russia (likely via one of the pals, so as not to be too overt, i.e. N Korea / China). Just feels like a very Russia thing to have done, perhaps as a wider part of their campaign to expand land ultimately. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Trouble outside the Holiday Inn in Tamworth now Singing Ing-ur-lund, Ing-ur-lund, Ing-ur-lund just now. Absolute scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, bannedfromHandV said: I haven’t done the research to back up why but I think most of the troubles in the past decade can be fundamentally traced back to Russia. Trump, Brexit, racial/gender/sexuality wars (general social disruption) has been orchestrated through social media manipulation, and I’d bet my years salary that it’s Russia (likely via one of the pals, so as not to be too overt, i.e. N Korea / China). Just feels like a very Russia thing to have done, perhaps as a wider part of their campaign to expand land ultimately. Right down to inventing and spreading the Muslim sounding name that lit the tinderbox this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: You're not both going to agree on much on this topic, I suspect, but I think you're just talking past one another here, blaming the specific immigrants who take the boats and fund the gangs isn't the same as blaming all immigrants for it Yeh this is fair. I'm getting confused too. Not sure what @foreveryoungs issue actually is but I can hazard a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 4 VT Supporter Share Posted August 4 26 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Oh the smugglers! Yeh that's an International problem. Hardly one to blame on immigrants. And we create the demand for them by not giving people safe routes to get here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nor-Cal Villan Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I haven’t done the research to back up why but I think most of the troubles in the past decade can be fundamentally traced back to Russia. Trump, Brexit, racial/gender/sexuality wars (general social disruption) has been orchestrated through social media manipulation, and I’d bet my years salary that it’s Russia (likely via one of the pals, so as not to be too overt, i.e. N Korea / China). Just feels like a very Russia thing to have done, perhaps as a wider part of their campaign to expand land ultimately. They’ve gotten a massive return on whatever amount was invested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted August 4 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Yeh this is fair. I'm getting confused too. Not sure what @foreveryoungs issue actually is but I can hazard a guess. We all know his issue 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) The crazy thing is the UK actually needs international migration, especially since Brexit. Unfortunately “migrant” is now a very dirty word here. Edited August 4 by Genie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 4 VT Supporter Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, Genie said: The crazy thing is the UK actually needs international migration, especially since Brexit. Any of these dick heads find themselves in hospital they'll almost certainly be looked after by immigrants. And if those immigrants weren't here they'd probably just be left to bleed to death where they fell. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Genie said: The crazy thing is the UK actually needs international migration, especially since Brexit. Unfortunately “migrant” is now a very dirty word here. Probably not 700,000 net migration in a year though. Not that I think for a moment the scum setting the country on fire are going to stop being racist scum if our immigration figures were net 0. Of course, what these people have done is make it even harder to have a sensible conversation about immigration policy, because 'legitimate concerns' is basically a meme at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 13 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: If you honestly blame immigration for the countries problems then you're the problem mate. I guess I'm just lucky my family were able to get here when the country was desperate for help. Should they be entering a country illegally? No. Blame them for trying to give their families better lives? Nah, can't agree with that. Nowhere in that comment did I blame immigration for the countries problems, I know the Tories have f****ed it up. But I admit I did say previously it hasn't helped the mess we are in. Anyone who says otherwise is a bit nieve and kidding themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernGordon Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) Where is the library that got burned down again? I'm downsizing my physical book collection as I've gone the Kindle route mostly and they're welcome to have a few dozen books from me gratis. Plus it gives me more room for records Mostly biographies about musicians and boxers (my two passions music and boxing), with some travel books and other sports books too. Some in the shot aren't up for grabs and some are and there's another whole shelf out of shot across the room. I'm in South Yorkshire. I don't drive due to bad eyesight so if someone can collect them then please feel free to message me. Edited August 4 by NorthernGordon Added photo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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