bickster Posted August 1 Moderator Share Posted August 1 10 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Maybe you can go and have a look and report back your findings to those that care. So... the acceptable answer to your maybe, you aren't saying it but possibly they do exist but you don't know no go zones is for you to go and give it ago? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post _AA_786 Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 This isn't a throw away comment... if any VT-ers genuinely feel they can't go to a part of Birmingham due to being white, I'll gladly meet up with you and take you there. No money required, I just ask that you come back and report on this thread what happened. If you want to go there anywhere at 2am with a flashy Rolex, talking loudly on a fancy iPhone, holding a wad of cash in your hand then that no longer is a test of how races are treated and will be you being stupid. I'll give you a slap myself for that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stating the obvious but 2 points worth remembering; Historical context is key. When people move to the UK for a better life, they often start with very little so have to live in the cheaper locations. By being less affluent, they tended to have more crime and less educated people. As a result, for some, the treatment they received from police or the local indigenous community, meant they chose to then stay together with people of their ethnicity as there was a sense that they were safer together than alone. This made areas which were majority non-white. In any place in the world, a minority by its definition is a minority so will stand out. When giving examples earlier, we're hearing the same 5-10 places where they may be a minority. Try to understand that in the other thousands of areas/towns/cities, a non-white person would be the minority and equally feels uncomfortable. We've learned that that is just life. As per the 2021 UK statistics (link below), the country is 82% White. 18% is for everything else including mixed. So the number of Black or Asian will be in single digit percentages. Therefore don't worry, the country isn't lost! https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/ "82% of people in England and Wales are white, and 18% belong to a black, Asian, mixed or other ethnic group (2021 Census data)." 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, bickster said: So... the acceptable answer to your maybe, you aren't saying it but possibly they do exist but you don't know no go zones is for you to go and give it ago? No? Unless you can provide evidence that every road on every city in the UK there is no roads of that nature then you can't say there is or isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 1 Moderator Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Unless you can provide evidence that every road on every city in the UK there is no roads of that nature then you can't say there is or isn't That really isn't the way this works The onus is on the person to prove something exists not the other way around. It's practically impossible to prove non-existence. Or to put it another way, the person making a claim needs to back it up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 42 minutes ago, bobzy said: I always find it funny when people mention all these racist, anti-white places are bad at night time, in the dark. If people are going to be racist, they don't wait until it's 1am and think "right guys, time to go attack some honkeys" and yet I imagine (and only imagine, because I'm white British) that those people on this forum who are not white will have likely experienced racism just as a casual day-to-day affair. Not 1am in a rough area, just... 4pm, walking down a road. And, of course, racism is not reserved for white people to use. There will absolutely be some racists in the UK who are anti-white. However, (and, again, speaking from my own experience only because I'm white British) I have only ever heard racial slurs toward non-white friends of mine - and even strangers - rather than any racial slurs toward me. As with the above, I reckon if you asked those people on this forum who are white if they've experienced racism towards them, it will have happened to a minority rather than a majority. I've been mugged in rough areas, I've been intimidated by chavs of varying skin colours, but I've never had to deal with racism. This is a cracking post. This thread is about racism. There are streets that plenty of us would be hesitant or on edge to walk down but I can't think of any that I'd fear going down due to fear of being racially abused/attacked either verbally or physically simply due to being white. I may fear being attacked as I may look fair game to be robbed but that is completely different. Up until fairly recently my barbers I'd been going to since I was a kid was in Lozells (on Lozells Road) and I'd go every 2-3 weeks. I'd also go into Lozells late at night to some cracking curry houses or into Ladywood. Now people may think inner city areas in Birmingham like that they wouldn't feel safe in but I've never felt any fear and 100% never felt unwelcome due to being white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 4 minutes ago, bickster said: That really isn't the way this works The onus is on the person to prove something exists not the other way around. It's practically impossible to prove non-existence. Or to put it another way, the person making a claim needs to back it up. It is the way it works - you are failing to agree that there could be neighbours/roads that may not welcome white people. And there probably is others that will not accept non white people. I dont see how the poster has to back it up? Why does he? You want his friend to join the forum share his opinion with a handful of villtalk posters? Everyone is allowed a opinion whther they agree with you or not. To summarise as we are getting absolutely nowhere with this debate there is no evidence that they do or dont exist because its impossible data to collect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 Just now, Demitri_C said: It is the way it works - you are failing to agree that there could be neighbours/roads that may not welcome white people. And there probably is others that will not accept non white people. I dont see how the poster has to back it up? Why does he? You want his friend to join the forum share his opinion with a handful of villtalk posters? Everyone is allowed a opinion whther they agree with you or not. To summarise as we are getting absolutely nowhere with this debate there is no evidence that they do or dont exist because its impossible data to collect. But you can't possibly just throw out these generalisations without at least some kind of evidence - even if ancedotal. Just name one **** neighbourhood or road. Just having "an opinion" without anything at all to back it up is exactly how racism starts. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 1 Moderator Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: It is the way it works - you are failing to agree that there could be neighbours/roads that may not welcome white people. And there probably is others that will not accept non white people. I dont see how the poster has to back it up? Why does he? You want his friend to join the forum share his opinion with a handful of villtalk posters? Everyone is allowed a opinion whther they agree with you or not. To summarise as we are getting absolutely nowhere with this debate there is no evidence that they do or dont exist because its impossible data to collect. I'm sorry Dem but this is how it works If you make a claim about somebody, that person can accuse you of libel, the person making the libel needs to prove the statement wasn't libellous, its not down to the person who is libelled to prove its not true It's a general principal of any valid argument and the law. It's actually a little insane to think it doesn't work that way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 6 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: This is a cracking post. This thread is about racism. There are streets that plenty of us would be hesitant or on edge to walk down but I can't think of any that I'd fear going down due to fear of being racially abused/attacked either verbally or physically simply due to being white. I may fear being attacked as I may look fair game to be robbed but that is completely different. Up until fairly recently my barbers I'd been going to since I was a kid was in Lozells (on Lozells Road) and I'd go every 2-3 weeks. I'd also go into Lozells late at night to some cracking curry houses or into Ladywood. Now people may think inner city areas in Birmingham like that they wouldn't feel safe in but I've never felt any fear and 100% never felt unwelcome due to being white. The thing is mark have you experienced racism towards you before? I have twice in two examples on the previous pages - once was by white people and the others were non whites. So it can happen ive experienced it. Yes its twice in 41 years but having it done to your period is unacceptable no matter what colour your skin is we all agree on that surely? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: But you can't possibly just throw out these generalisations without at least some kind of evidence - even if ancedotal. Just name one **** neighbourhood or road. Just having "an opinion" without anything at all to back it up is exactly how racism starts. Read the last two pages of two experiences ive given that happened to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Read the last two pages of two experiences ive given that happened to me So Luton and Rochester are "no-go zones" for whites and blacks respectively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 8 minutes ago, bickster said: I'm sorry Dem but this is how it works If you make a claim about somebody, that person can accuse you of libel, the person making the libel needs to prove the statement wasn't libellous, its not down to the person who is libelled to prove its not true It's a general principal of any valid argument and the law. It's actually a little insane to think it doesn't work that way Next you're going to tell me you don't believe in the teapot orbiting the moon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 10 minutes ago, bobzy said: So Luton and Rochester are "no-go zones" for whites and blacks respectively? Went to the outskirts of Rochester last year, had to stay in Strood, I wasn't welcome in Rochester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon Posted August 1 Popular Post Share Posted August 1 This thread is comedy gold. Thank you Dem, folly, forever I'm just off to the stables to get my head kicked in by a horse so i can join in ... 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 40 minutes ago, bickster said: He meant neither of those words? ffs its catching , now i have to suffer pages of ridicule from you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stevo985 Posted August 1 VT Supporter Share Posted August 1 59 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: It is the way it works - you are failing to agree that there could be neighbours/roads that may not welcome white people. And there probably is others that will not accept non white people. I dont see how the poster has to back it up? Why does he? You want his friend to join the forum share his opinion with a handful of villtalk posters? Everyone is allowed a opinion whther they agree with you or not. To summarise as we are getting absolutely nowhere with this debate there is no evidence that they do or dont exist because its impossible data to collect. There are streets in the UK where they take Villa fans, chop them into pieces and cook them in a stew and then serve them to the local homeless. You haven't been to every street in the UK so you can't say that doesn't happen That's why it works the way Bicks has said it works. Otherwise anyone could claim anything all the time. Not being able to prove something doesn't happen doesn't mean it does happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted August 1 VT Supporter Share Posted August 1 I went into a chip shop in a predominantly Muslim not very affluent area and I was absolutely shocked by what I found. They didn't have HP sauce! The chilli sauce was ace though, so it was ok in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 1 VT Supporter Share Posted August 1 Speaking of racism Intelligence services involved in smear campaigns, surely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 1 Moderator Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, markavfc40 said: I can't think of any that I'd fear going down due to fear of being racially abused/attacked either verbally or physically simply due to being white I can. In 1990 when I was leaving the RAF I did a CAA course to get a license to work on civvy planes. The course was in Bristol. On a Wednesday we finished at lunch time and being summer, went to the pub. After the pub I needed to go buy some shoes so walked into the city centre. I really should not have done. Stones and rocks and abuse and chased by the exclusively black locals. 100% racist. 0/10 WNB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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