Genie Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, sheepyvillian said: You're not going to get that for attempted murder. Try as you might. I’m not sure he was being entirely serious, however, don’t underestimate the punishment for trying to burn down a hotel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 4 Moderator Share Posted August 4 8 minutes ago, NorthernGordon said: Update to my offer of free books for Spellow Library Hub in Liverpool (Google is my friend, I was just being lazy). I have contacted a local councillor in the Walton area to see if he can arrange for someone to collect the books. There are 40 books all in great condition, some of them only a few months old. Don't know where you are but quite happy to help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernGordon Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 3 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: I'm telling you. Be careful what you wish for. What's that supposed to mean? I'm just saying if the thugs start anything here they'll be easily driven back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted August 4 Popular Post Share Posted August 4 Just now, sheepyvillian said: You're not going to get that for attempted murder. Try as you might. If I'm not mistaken, in the 2011 riots, someone got a few years in prison for stealing a bottle of water during the looting. They came down on people like a tonne of bricks, and should do the same here. Burning down a building that presumably has people in it, with it being racially motivated as an aggravating factor? They should never see the outside of a cell again IMO 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, Genie said: I wonder how proud man in white shirt will be when he’s in the dock. Am I missing something here? the Police are standing metres away just letting this happen. Surely the Police should be stepping in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: You're not wrong. I read @Vive_La_Villa posting earlier about concerns about going to VP and I was going to say that I couldn't see it kicking off too badly in Brum. But if there are two places I could see it kicking off in small pockets it's probably the football grounds tbh. I really hope there's no racism at footy grounds and particularly Villa which is a lot more diverse these days. We've come so far. Would be a real shame if there are any incidents but if there are fans really need to stick together against these thugs. Edited August 4 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, NorthernGordon said: What's that supposed to mean? I'm just saying if the thugs start anything here they'll be easily driven back. I was agreeing with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernGordon Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Don't know where you are but quite happy to help Near Sheffield. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 4 VT Supporter Share Posted August 4 Fox needs to be put away for a while. Long enough to break him, something he can't use to grift, ruin him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, markavfc40 said: Am I missing something here? the Police are standing metres away just letting this happen. Surely the Police should be stepping in. It’s bizarre, they should at least be guarding that newly created entrance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernGordon Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, sheepyvillian said: I was agreeing with you. Sorry for the crossed wires. Think I'm gonna come off here now and put some records on. It's depressing me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: If I'm not mistaken, in the 2011 riots, someone got a few years in prison for stealing a bottle of water during the looting. They came down on people like a tonne of bricks, and should do the same here. Burning down a building that presumably has people in it, with it being racially motivated as an aggravating factor? They should never see the outside of a cell again IMO I remember a story of one fella who wandered into a recently ransacked jewellers and walked out again without touching anything, got a long prison sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: If I'm not mistaken, in the 2011 riots, someone got a few years in prison for stealing a bottle of water during the looting. They came down on people like a tonne of bricks, and should do the same here. Burning down a building that presumably has people in it, with it being racially motivated as an aggravating factor? They should never see the outside of a cell again IMO You're not going to get a whole life tariff for attempted murder, regardless of the circumstances. A few years is a long way off a whole life tariff, and those extra years would have been under some serious array charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted August 4 Popular Post Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Genie said: It’s bizarre, they should at least be guarding that newly created entrance. I can generally understand the principle of observe, don't escalate, and haul them in from home at a later date, but when there's a rabid mob and an active threat to life, this seems absolutely astonishing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted August 4 VT Supporter Share Posted August 4 10 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: There isn't a better multi racial city in the Country. I should know, I grew up here. You have to know your limits, which bullies usually do. Yep, they will get a right kicking thats for sure but the police will have to try and stop it and that's not a good place to be for them, plus while all that'soing on any criminals will know they have a free reign for a few hours, looting and rioting. I hated thatcher and supported the mine workers when they was attacked by the police but this is different,.law and order is being threatened and the police must he given the powers to hit these demos hard before the violence starts, nick em. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, sheepyvillian said: You're not going to get a whole life tariff for attempted murder, regardless of the circumstances. A few years is a long way off a whole life tariff, and those extra years would have been under some serious array charge. I am not particularly familiar with the sentencing tariffs, but the 'should' and 'IMO' are doing a lot of the work in that post rather than being an actual prediction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, NorthernGordon said: Sorry for the crossed wires. Think I'm gonna come off here now and put some records on. It's depressing me. Sorry, Brother. My grammar at times. That's what happens when you neglect a formal education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Maybe they should consider sending some of them to prisons with large number of minority group inmates to keep them company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 44 minutes ago, Genie said: Getting lively in Tamworth Windows smashed Why don’t they back up a few riot vans, then start grabbing these pricks from the front of the rioters and slinging them into the vans to be prosecuted tomorrow after a night in the cells. Would they be so brave then? Mustard gas the thick words removed. Or just shoot them, wouldn't have to wear a gas mask for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: I am not particularly familiar with the sentencing tariffs, but the 'should' and 'IMO' are doing a lot of the work in that post rather than being an actual prediction It's not rocket science. Judges are bound by sentencing guidelines. Have you got an Archibald nearby, if so, look up the maximum sentence for attempted murder. I'm guessing life but never a whole life tariff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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