Made In Aston Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, MellbergsBeard said: I don’t think we should go around meddling in other countries traditions, they need to learn for themselves what is right and wrong and looking through Spanish newspapers they are slowly getting there with blackface. football is a multicultural sport with people from all different walks of life with all different views who are we (with our not perfect past or present) to tell any other country what is right and wrong? I don't think it is racism as it is meant to be honorary rather than derogatory but it is clearly offensive . Here's an article about the tradition and some of the conversations in Spain about it. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spain-blackface-three-kings-balthasar-b1984515.html I wouldn't get the pitch folks out for Monchi over it as its a tradition he has known all his life and probably doesn't see it as derogatory himself. It is ignorant though and maybe he should clarify his views publically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 The Spanish also do bull fighting and stabbing the bulls with spears and stuff… I also think that’s detestable 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Genuine question. Why are these okay, but Monchi’s isn’t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, duke313 said: Genuine question. Why are these okay, but Monchi’s isn’t? Because racism isn't possible/offensive against white people. And it's the most possible and offensive when white people do it. It's funny how racism itself is racist Edited June 17, 2023 by Adman Typi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, duke313 said: Genuine question. Why are these okay, but Monchi’s isn’t? If anybody was offended by this then it’s not ok. Back on topic. Welcome to the club Monchi. Exciting times ahead. Edited June 17, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, duke313 said: Genuine question. Why are these okay, but Monchi’s isn’t? Are you seriously asking why White Chicks isn't the same as blackface? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Adman said: Because racism isn't possible/offensive against white people. And it's the most possible and offensive when white people do it. It's funny how racism itself is racist are you really equating White Chicks with blackface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, lexicon said: are you really equating White Chicks with blackface? RDJ was blackface, why was it okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Just now, lexicon said: are you really equating White Chicks with blackface? Depends on intent and context Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, duke313 said: Genuine question. Why are these okay, but Monchi’s isn’t? I'm just a dude, playing a dude... playing another dude... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Adman said: Depends on intent and context No, it doesn't. White Chicks is not the same as blackface ffs. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lexicon said: No, it doesn't. White Chicks is not the same as blackface ffs. It isn’t the same but if people genuinely felt offended by it racially then they should highlight it. But if they are just bringing up to say ‘why can they do this but we can’t do this’ then it’s pretty lame. In Monchi we trust. Edited June 17, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I'm just a dude, playing a dude... playing another dude... Such a great movie. Also ridiculous that Netflix removed The Gang make Lethal Weapon 6. Nobody cares about the context of anything. Just the drive to cancel everything the don't like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, delboy54 said: Where I work there are people who have job titles that I have no idea what they mean....or do. What the hell is a "senior vertical strategy manager" ?...... One of my ex-colleagues messaged me the other day because she'd just got a new job: "Licencing Asset and Configuration Analyst". Nope, not a clue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, duke313 said: RDJ was blackface, why was it okay? I've not seen the film, so I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, StanBalaban said: Whilst I'm in no position to say what anyone should find offensive, I can say that as someone from Indian heritage myself, I'm not particularly troubled by this. I'm probably more bothered by the fairy tale itself, but that's for Off Topic. Sure it's a clunky tradition which wouldn't be acceptable in many parts of the world now, but there's no real intent to cause harm or ridicule anyone here. Had their tradition been to make their wise men brown, I wouldn't be particularly fussed either. Context and intent are important. I'm certainly not going to look at Monchi in a lesser light having seen this. It wasn't really that long ago that Hollywood had films like Short Circuit, where Fisher Stevens was browned-up to play an Indian scientist. Looking back, something like that is far more inappropriate (especially for a family movie), and they could have easily cast an Indian actor to play the role. Pretty cringe worthy today, but not something I'm going to lose my shit about when watching him in Succession. As JV says, context and nuance matter a great deal. I genuinely had no idea that the bloke in short-circuit was not Indian. You learn something new every day? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gwi1890 Posted June 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2023 7 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: This is going to be blown up astronomically by people who are desperate to win " the wokest warrior " awards isn't it? Context, nuance and intent still matters. You can frame anything to look how we want it to ffs. I get everything is alot more sensitive now and he may need a heads up on why this probably won't fly but Jesus man. People need to chill out... I highly doubt we've hired a KKK Grand Wizard as our Football Director. As a Mixed Race man born here in the UK these “woke” people genuinely make our situation harder . I’ve experienced more racism in the past 3 years than I ever did growing up in the 90’s and 00’s. I agree when people “black up” or whatever it’s called it can come across cringey and I’ve felt slightly uncomfortable int the past at fancy dress parties and so on but it didn’t bother me to the extent that I needed to confront someone about it and to be fair I’ve never experienced a person doing it from a standpoint of malice. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: It isn’t the same but if people genuinely felt offended by it racially then they should highlight it. But if they are just bringing up to say ‘why can they do this but we can’t do this’ then it’s pretty lame. In Monchi we trust. How could anyone possibly feel genuinely racially offended by it? As you said, the only ones who would say something like this would be right-wing Representatives for Wellingborough trying to score a point because they'd been told off for racism before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, duke313 said: RDJ was blackface, why was it okay? Wasn’t it a film about a white guy that did black face to get more roles ? They could hardly use a black guy for that role! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Wasn’t it a film about a white guy that did black face to get more roles ? They could hardly use a black guy for that role! Have you seen the film 'Watermelon Man'? Godfrey Cambridge plays the role of Jeff Gerber in whiteface for the first few minutes of the film, and then goes without the makeup when his character changes into a black man. Before Van Peebles had come into the project, the studio had told him that they were planning to cast a white actor like Alan Arkin or Jack Lemmon to play the part. Van Peebles suggested that they cast a black actor instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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