chrisp65 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Knowing a very small number of these types of people, I’d be surprised if some of them don’t have multiple names, for just such an event as a leaked list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, bickster said: It's strange because they already found the policeman in the ranks when the entire membership list was leaked, thats why there won't be others I'd say it was strange not to read what had already been posted in the thread Right, well everyone doesn't always read entire Twitter threads, Bicks! Help me out, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, maqroll said: Right, well everyone doesn't always read entire Twitter threads, Bicks! Help me out, here. I'm talking about the posts in this very topic, nothing to do with Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted February 21, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, maqroll said: Let me spell it out for you. Its a very small organisation. They found a Policeman was a member and jailed him. They found him because the entire membership list was leaked by someone who turned. If there were others at that time, they would have suffered the same consequences. Alongside that, since the organisation became proscribed they will be being heavily watched by the anti-terrorism police. I wouldn't be shocked to find out that the Police had undercover officers inside the organisation or very close, not only that but groups such as Hope Not Hate also have very active informants embedded among the fellow travellers of this and similar groups. In fact there's an ex-member who turned that provided evidence to the Police via Hope Not Hate in one of the prosecutions already secured against the members of this group. I think it very unlikely that in such a small organisation that there will be current serving police officers. If there are officers involved in this fascist terrorist stuff, they will more likely be involved in Patriotic Alternative, a non-proscribed fascist organisation to which most of the members ran to when National Action was proscribed by the Government. Patriotic Alternative is currently the largest and most active fascist group in the country and includes some known former National Action members, PAs leader Mark Collet is thought to have once tried to take over National Action, Sam Melia a regional organiser for PA, is known to have had contact with NA after the proscribing, Jake Bewit was also in NA as was Kris Kearns from Liverpool and he was their fitness instructor, he's currently facing up to 15 years in jail for being in NA after being extradicted from Spain. If any serving police officers are active in this, it will be in Patriotic Alternative not National Action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Azeem Rafiq being ripped to shreads by Vaughan's solicitors, let's hope he gets found out. An before you all jump on me, there is no doubt there was 'some' racism in Yorkshire cricket, but its been a proper case of guilty before proven innocent, handled completely wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Been interesting to hear Lee Anderson, Ben Bradley and other massive whoppers among the usual suspects getting behind the anti-asylum protesters 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Soooo, how is one actually racist? - Is it true that BAME people are worse off all round? Or is that fantasy? If you are Bame right now then you'll find the state are not on your side. Which is shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 10 hours ago, Jareth said: Soooo, how is one actually racist? - Is it true that BAME people are worse off all round? Or is that fantasy? If you are Bame right now then you'll find the state are not on your side. Which is shit. Looks like you may have answered your own questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Congratz England! It appears you will get a visit from that Danish moron Rasmus Paludan who's been traveling around in Sweden setting fire to the Quran and causing riots in the name of free speech. Would be a real shame if he didn't make it back again so maybe you could find a reason to lock him up or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, sne said: Congratz England! It appears you will get a visit from that Danish moron Rasmus Paludan who's been traveling around in Sweden setting fire to the Quran and causing riots in the name of free speech. Would be a real shame if he didn't make it back again so maybe you could find a reason to lock him up or something. FFS, what a dickhead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, sne said: Congratz England! It appears you will get a visit from that Danish moron Rasmus Paludan who's been traveling around in Sweden setting fire to the Quran and causing riots in the name of free speech. Would be a real shame if he didn't make it back again so maybe you could find a reason to lock him up or something. I like that you can read that he’s either doing everything above board by keeping the police informed, or, more likely that West Yorkshire Police are going to assist in the burning of a Quran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: I like that you can read that he’s either doing everything above board by keeping the police informed, or, more likely that West Yorkshire Police are going to assist in the burning of a Quran. Do that in Bradford and a war will break out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 (edited) Quick point, if you are non white, is your experience of racism actually equivalent to someone who is a white minority - i.e. a traveller Edited March 24, 2023 by Jareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 9 hours ago, Jareth said: Quick point, if you are non white, is your experience of racism actually equivalent to someone who is a white minority - i.e. a traveller That's not really how it works is it. It's not a quantifiable thing designed for comparison. we could agree upon a definition of "race" in order to compare results on a like for like basis, add in a definition of the 'ism', apply that to the various group identities in the example and then there would still be no bloody point in any of it because that's not how it works is it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, VILLAMARV said: That's not really how it works is it. It's not a quantifiable thing designed for comparison. we could agree upon a definition of "race" in order to compare results on a like for like basis, add in a definition of the 'ism', apply that to the various group identities in the example and then there would still be no bloody point in any of it because that's not how it works is it? It's defined in law as a protected characteristic. Estate agents can't prevent a lease to someone based on their ethnicity - for example. So there is a point in it. We don't do apartheid here, other countries may disagree. I agree it is difficult to compare race issues and discrimination, but it is not impossible - statistically you are more likely to be in poverty if you are black, over half of black kids are growing up in poverty, more likely to be stopped by the police, more likely to suffer complications in child birth - if you are black. The last one might be shocking but it's a stat - and there is no explanation for it, other than said people are not being treated the same most probably due to subconscious bias - but it's happening. These are not acceptable outcomes for white people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 24, 2023 Moderator Share Posted March 24, 2023 On 19/03/2023 at 14:55, sne said: Congratz England! It appears you will get a visit from that Danish moron Rasmus Paludan who's been traveling around in Sweden setting fire to the Quran and causing riots in the name of free speech. It appears we banned him from entering the country 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 1 minute ago, bickster said: It appears we banned him from entering the country Good for you. Guy is a racist agitator who want's to create chaos and diversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 24, 2023 Moderator Share Posted March 24, 2023 Just now, sne said: Good for you. Guy is a racist agitator who want's to create chaos and diversion. We have enough of those of our own, not adding to the dung heap is a good thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jareth said: It's defined in law as a protected characteristic. Estate agents can't prevent a lease to someone based on their ethnicity - for example. So there is a point in it. We don't do apartheid here, other countries may disagree. I agree it is difficult to compare race issues and discrimination, but it is not impossible - statistically you are more likely to be in poverty if you are black, over half of black kids are growing up in poverty, more likely to be stopped by the police, more likely to suffer complications in child birth - if you are black. The last one might be shocking but it's a stat - and there is no explanation for it, other than said people are not being treated the same most probably due to subconscious bias - but it's happening. These are not acceptable outcomes for white people. I didn't suggest various organisations and government bodies don't collect statistics on issues like racism. Your question is flawed. It's like asking if lung cancer is equivalent to brain cancer. What does that even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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