sne Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ml1dch said: Well, yes. That's how time works. Nobody is suggesting "erasing history". I would suggest that the following two points are pretty much inarguable: (1) More people have learned more about Edward Colston and his position in British history in the last week than they would have for the next hundred years had his statue been ignored last week. (2) when he is fished out of the harbour and stuck in a museum he, and his story will attract for more interest than he ever did outside the Radisson carpark. It's not erasing history, it's highlighting it. Yeah my point wasn't about him. It's was about erasing / changing things you know are correct to better fit in with the current climate. And that's absolutely happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: And it would only take 50 thousand years for as many people to stop and read the plaque as have learnt about Edward Colston in the last week. Thats true. But in 5 years time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, Seat68 said: I am not for removing statues so how about creating a conversation. You remove them and you remove the crime. Its hidden, forgotten. Keep the statue and a plaque with nothing but the crimes. Create a conversation and a lesson that shouldn’t be repeated. Good point, and if you stick them in Museums they are just forgotten as how often do people go to museums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, sne said: Yeah my point wasn't about him. It's was about erasing / changing things you know are correct to better fit in with the current climate. And that's absolutely happening. Is it happening? Other than the direct challenge to truth of modern political movements, i.e. the post-truth stuff, where is this happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 6 hours ago, sidcow said: Anyone else had a nose send them. A picture of the dodgy 1950's Villa Mascot called Darkie? I'm hoping it's fake because it really doesn't look good. I've never seen or heard of it before. Disgraceful. You are friends with a blues fan?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, snowychap said: Is it happening? Other than the direct challenge to truth of modern political movements, i.e. the post-truth stuff, where is this happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted June 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted June 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, PaulC said: and if you stick them in Museums they are just forgotten as how often do people go to museums. I suppose it depends on how intelligent they are and their desire to learn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted June 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2020 How often do people really look at statues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted June 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Chindie said: How often do people really look at statues? Only musically Edited June 10, 2020 by Follyfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaulC Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, bickster said: I suppose it depends on how intelligent they are and their desire to learn ok when was the last time you went to a museum. its been about 10 years for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Xela said: Beat me to it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, PaulC said: ok when was the last time you went to a museum. its been about 10 years for me. February! I go to the Birmingham Museum a lot... mainly when i'm having lunch at work as I work near it. I like their Edwardian Tea Rooms. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) Is it possible that a lot of of the prominent figures in US and Western Europe during 17-19th century might have had some sort of involvement in slavery? Edited June 10, 2020 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, PaulC said: ok when was the last time you went to a museum. its been about 10 years for me. I'm notsure of the metric you're trying to run with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, PaulC said: ok when was the last time you went to a museum. its been about 10 years for me. March, a couple of days before lockdown. I was working on the building next door and it felt rude not to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Is it possible that a lot of of the prominent figures in US and Western Europe during 17-19th century might have had some sort of involvement in slavery? Yes. Quite probable, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Just thinking if that’s the case where does it end with the removal of statues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Is it possible that a lot of of the prominent figures in US and Western Europe during 17-19th century might have had some sort of involvement in slavery? While not all will have been directly involved with it, a lot will have benefitted from it. A lot of businesses today benefit from modern slavery. Many major firms will use cheap labour overseas where the working conditions are questionable at best and criminal at worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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