Vive_La_Villa Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Elton said: I like him but he was clearly at fault for Deeney’s goal. He let Deeney drift off him and amble into the 6 yard box for a simple free header when he could see that Konsa was wasn’t picking him up. He needs to improve his defensive awareness and he’ll be a good player. Deeney won headers against him all first half, it was a clear issue and looked like something Watford had worked on. Even if he tracked him Deeney would still have scored. In the second half a centre half started picking him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 the problem is konsa should hold in the middle, that's the role in the 3, mings has stepped out of position, hause is closing down the ball, konsa just needs to hold... and he doesn't, he drifts, worst of it being he drifts to nowhere, he has to know where deeney is, mainly because he's their main threat but also because there is no one else you cant have 2 players step out in a 3, doesn't work, 2 hold position and shape 1 free man goes im guessing that's why mings had the barney with him don't get me wrong guilbert needs to track him and sandwich him and obviously also needs to shout at konsa but its konsa that should be in front of him goal side winning the header Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Never hides, never bottles, always gives everything. Love him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, villa4europe said: the problem is konsa should hold in the middle, that's the role in the 3, mings has stepped out of position, hause is closing down the ball, konsa just needs to hold... and he doesn't, he drifts, worst of it being he drifts to nowhere, he has to know where deeney is, mainly because he's their main threat but also because there is no one else you cant have 2 players step out in a 3, doesn't work, 2 hold position and shape 1 free man goes im guessing that's why mings had the barney with him don't get me wrong guilbert needs to track him and sandwich him and obviously also needs to shout at konsa but its konsa that should be in front of him goal side winning the header Yes but he knew he was going to assist Mings in scoring a brilliantly placed 95th minute winner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted January 22, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2020 I'm starting to warm up to Fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 49 minutes ago, villa4europe said: the problem is konsa should hold in the middle, that's the role in the 3, mings has stepped out of position, hause is closing down the ball, konsa just needs to hold... and he doesn't, he drifts, worst of it being he drifts to nowhere, he has to know where deeney is, mainly because he's their main threat but also because there is no one else you cant have 2 players step out in a 3, doesn't work, 2 hold position and shape 1 free man goes im guessing that's why mings had the barney with him don't get me wrong guilbert needs to track him and sandwich him and obviously also needs to shout at konsa but its konsa that should be in front of him goal side winning the header So you do agree with me then I’m not saying Konsa couldn’t have done better but Fred was the main culprit. I think he’s a really good prospect but just these little concentration/awareness issues let him down at times. If he was the finished article we wouldn’t have signed him as a championship team and he wouldn’t occasionally get dropped for Elmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Deeney was in the middle of the 6 yard box, how on earth do you blame the right wing back for him being free? Hause was challenging the cross, that meant we had 2 cbs to mark one striker. Konza's man all day for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Deeney was in the middle of the 6 yard box, how on earth do you blame the right wing back for him being free? Hause was challenging the cross, that meant we had 2 cbs to mark one striker. Konza's man all day for me. Because he was marking him and then let him go to nod in a free header... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just watched it back. Yeah he probably should have been tighter but konza's position seems wrong to me. He didn't need to be so far away fro. Deeney and really konza should be the one challenging. Deeney will eat guilbert in the air most times. Overall, not a great defensive display for their goal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Just watched it back. Yeah he probably should have been tighter but konza's position seems wrong to me. He didn't need to be so far away fro. Deeney and really konza should be the one challenging. Deeney will eat guilbert in the air most times. Overall, not a great defensive display for their goal. Exactly, what's the point of having 3 CBs (all 6' or above) on the pitch and then leave it up to your 5'10 WB to mark a 6' CF. Fred maybe could have done a little more to put off Deeney's run but that's Konsa's man all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 29 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Exactly, what's the point of having 3 CBs (all 6' or above) on the pitch and then leave it up to your 5'10 WB to mark a 6' CF. Fred maybe could have done a little more to put off Deeney's run but that's Konsa's man all the way. I really don’t get this viewpoint. Fred was marking him and left him knowing that Konsa was facing the other way and not able to see Deeney. Fred could see the whole picture. It would be the same if El Ghazi playing up front decided to leave a man he was marking when defending but that’s ok, it’s not his normal job. What if a defender has a tap in but decides not to bother because that’s not his normal job? These are basics of football and if we want to stop conceding so freely then everyone has to be alert and do the basics and not fall asleep at crucial moments and that applies to everyone if we like them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Guilbert should have tracked him but the fact that he had to mark long balls to Deeney for the entire first half was causing us problems. We corrected it second half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Elton said: I really don’t get this viewpoint. Fred was marking him and left him knowing that Konsa was facing the other way and not able to see Deeney. Fred could see the whole picture. It would be the same if El Ghazi playing up front decided to leave a man he was marking when defending but that’s ok, it’s not his normal job. What if a defender has a tap in but decides not to bother because that’s not his normal job? These are basics of football and if we want to stop conceding so freely then everyone has to be alert and do the basics and not fall asleep at crucial moments and that applies to everyone if we like them or not. Hause gets cutout by the threw ball. Ming's comes over to cover. Konsa ends up marking no one. As a CB he should be marking him. If you expect Fred to come that far center then that leaves a whole half of the field open. Plus, expecting your WB who is 2 inches smaller and 30# lighter to out jump Deeney seems like a match up you would try to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Hause gets cutout by the threw ball. Ming's comes over to cover. Konsa ends up marking no one. As a CB he should be marking him. If you expect Fred to come that far center then that leaves a whole half of the field open. Plus, expecting your WB who is 2 inches smaller and 30# lighter to out jump Deeney seems like a match up you would try to avoid. Fred did avoid it, he just left him. Weird that anyone can think that’s ok. So by your logic Fred should (as he did) leave Deeney who is about to nod it in and mark some empty space on the right wing? Edited January 22, 2020 by Elton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Elton said: Fred did avoid it, he just left him. Weird that you think that’s ok. Take care in all you do next yearAnd keep smiling through the daysIf we can help to entertain youOh we will find the waysSo merry Christmas one and allThere's no place I'd rather beThan asking you if you'd obligeStepping into Christmas with me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elton Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kingman said: Take care in all you do next yearAnd keep smiling through the daysIf we can help to entertain youOh we will find the waysSo merry Christmas one and allThere's no place I'd rather beThan asking you if you'd obligeStepping into Christmas with me... Mate, you’ve got the wrong Elton. I’m Ben. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Hi guys, what about if we say: Konsa could have done better with their goal, so could Guilbert, and hopefully they both learn from it and continue to develop as promising young players in their first season of top-flight football? As long as they keep knocking in the goals themselves to make up for any lapses I'll forgive them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kingman said: Take care in all you do next yearAnd keep smiling through the daysIf we can help to entertain youOh we will find the waysSo merry Christmas one and allThere's no place I'd rather beThan asking you if you'd obligeStepping into Christmas with me... I always thought it was "if you would mind"... On topic, Fred and Konsa both at fault for the goal, either one of them could've done more to stop it, but more Konsa for me. Fred had an exceptional game otherwise. Konsa I think is a gamble at the moment but he'll be a good player in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Hi guys, what about if we say: Konsa could have done better with their goal, so could Guilbert, and hopefully they both learn from it and continue to develop as promising young players in their first season of top-flight football? As long as they keep knocking in the goals themselves to make up for any lapses I'll forgive them That's fair I can leave it there. As a wide defender myself I always hated it when the CBs expected me to pick up the huge CF while they did **** all trotting around the penalty spot marking empty space. Just felt the need to defend my boy Guilbert their for a sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted January 22, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: That's fair I can leave it there. As a wide defender myself I always hated it when the CBs expected me to pick up the huge CF while they did **** all trotting around the penalty spot marking empty space. Just felt the need to defend my boy Guilbert their for a sec. I'm with you. It was Konsa's man all day long. He got drawn to the ball where there was no threat as Hause had him covered - a sign of a poor defender. You always mark up in your own box even if you are outnumbered - but Konsa drifted and Guilbert was hesitant as he wasn't sure who was behind him. Made up for it with a fine goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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