Jas10 Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 14 minutes ago, Steero113 said: My two favorite players Have you watched the club Media Day video? Posted in the kit and team, personnel threads. Both of them happy and having a good laugh Gonna be awesome to have them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Monkeypuzzle Posted August 17 Popular Post Share Posted August 17 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: What is there to be confused about, he’s the wrong side of 30 and will be coming back from somewhere around 18 months out, as injuries and recovery time go this is about as severe it can be. 18 months? He was injured on day one of last season. That's 12 months and a couple of weeks before he is back in full training. The wrong side of 30? He's 31 in a time where some central defenders play into their 40s. It's 2024, not the 1980s. Also, as someone else said, he started professional football later than most. So that's why I'm confused that so many seemed utterly convinced that he will never recover. I'm not saying it's certain he will be 100% again, but it's a pretty good bet. Obviously you disagree. C'est la vie! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 11 minutes ago, Monkeypuzzle said: 18 months? He was injured on day one of last season. That's 12 months and a couple of weeks before he is back in full training. The wrong side of 30? He's 31 in a time where some central defenders play into their 40s. It's 2024, not the 1980s. Also, as someone else said, he started professional football later than most. So that's why I'm confused that so many seemed utterly convinced that he will never recover. I'm not saying it's certain he will be 100% again, but it's a pretty good bet. Obviously you disagree. C'est la vie! I don’t agree or disagree, have no idea if he can get back to the same kind of level, goes without saying I hope he can but it remains a valid concern and not something to be dismissive of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 Just now, bannedfromHandV said: I don’t agree or disagree, have no idea if he can get back to the same kind of level, goes without saying I hope he can but it remains a valid concern and not something to be dismissive of. My worry is that he doesn't have to get back to the same level, he has to get back to a higher level. Similar challenge to Buendia, the club really moved forward whole they were injured, both play in key positions. I really hope both can have an impact, but I don't think it'd guaranteed personally. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 (edited) Think Mings will be fine provided he's fit. Cant see him being anything but genuinely joyed and excited to be back, able to learn and play under Emery and among the team. If the body is temperamental or not up to it, sure, he wont be up to it. If he is able to play, i see the team doing well defensively as the only roadblock to him featuring on field. Edited August 17 by A'Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Quote "It's a lonely time going in for surgeries and stuff, but you learn some key lessons through it. I've had three surgeries on this knee that is currently injured. It feels good. Everybody has experiences that they go through and how you bounce back from that and deal with that plays a big part in the path that you take." Tyrone Mings lifts lid on 'lonely' Aston Villa nightmare ahead of return - Birmingham Live (birminghammail.co.uk) Wow 3 surgeries. Hope he can come back close to where he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Given the severity of his injury, his age, and his size, I fear that Tyrone will struggle to achieve the same performance level he had previously and will likely move on next summer. A long swan song with Villa this season will be great, though. He deserves the chance to prove me and every other doubter wrong. And he deserves all the affection that is coming his way over the next 10 months. Would love to see him line up as a starter at home in the CL against a weaker opponent. Would be emotional! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 10 hours ago, CVByrne said: Tyrone Mings lifts lid on 'lonely' Aston Villa nightmare ahead of return - Birmingham Live (birminghammail.co.uk) Wow 3 surgeries. Hope he can come back close to where he was I wonder if there were any complications or if it was just standard for them to repair parts separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 10 hours ago, CVByrne said: Tyrone Mings lifts lid on 'lonely' Aston Villa nightmare ahead of return - Birmingham Live (birminghammail.co.uk) Wow 3 surgeries. Hope he can come back close to where he was Doesn't say that this injury required 3 rounds of surgery, but that he has had 3 operations on the knee that is currently injured. That could include previous injuries to the knee. What is a little disconcerting is that he is still calling it his injured knee. The knee is no longer injured he's just out as he tries to bring his fitness up to the required levels. I remember when I had sa compound fracture I'd often refer to it as "my break" but the physio was at pains to correct me as it becomes a psychological barrier to see it as still injured. It shows how bad it was of a tear that he still refers to it as his injured knee, rather than 'this knee'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 10 minutes ago, peterw said: Doesn't say that this injury required 3 rounds of surgery, but that he has had 3 operations on the knee that is currently injured. That could include previous injuries to the knee. What is a little disconcerting is that he is still calling it his injured knee. The knee is no longer injured he's just out as he tries to bring his fitness up to the required levels. I remember when I had sa compound fracture I'd often refer to it as "my break" but the physio was at pains to correct me as it becomes a psychological barrier to see it as still injured. It shows how bad it was of a tear that he still refers to it as his injured knee, rather than 'this knee'. I read that as he's injured that knee before and required surgery and this is the third time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 38 minutes ago, peterw said: Doesn't say that this injury required 3 rounds of surgery, but that he has had 3 operations on the knee that is currently injured. That could include previous injuries to the knee. What is a little disconcerting is that he is still calling it his injured knee. The knee is no longer injured he's just out as he tries to bring his fitness up to the required levels. I remember when I had sa compound fracture I'd often refer to it as "my break" but the physio was at pains to correct me as it becomes a psychological barrier to see it as still injured. It shows how bad it was of a tear that he still refers to it as his injured knee, rather than 'this knee'. No he injured the other knee last time he did his ACL. We checked that back when he injured it to see if that was a career over type issue. I think because he did more than his ACL they probably had to do the multiple surgeries and build up the knee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 5 minutes ago, CVByrne said: No he injured the other knee last time he did his ACL. We checked that back when he injured it to see if that was a career over type issue. I think because he did more than his ACL they probably had to do the multiple surgeries and build up the knee Yeah at Bournemouth it was his right knee and he tore his MCL and ACL and that was a 15 month process with multiple surgeries. I imagine this injury is similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, maqroll said: Given the severity of his injury, his age, and his size, I fear that Tyrone will struggle to achieve the same performance level he had previously and will likely move on next summer. A long swan song with Villa this season will be great, though. He deserves the chance to prove me and every other doubter wrong. And he deserves all the affection that is coming his way over the next 10 months. Would love to see him line up as a starter at home in the CL against a weaker opponent. Would be emotional! I don't think age will be a factor, he looks after himself and he's hardly had a busy career. He's played less than half the career games of someone like Tielemens for example and he is a good few years younger. The big question is if the surgery has been successful. If so, I'm sure he can get back to as he was before. Whether thats good enough to oust Torres? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 On 17/08/2024 at 08:23, cheltenham_villa said: My worry is that he doesn't have to get back to the same level, he has to get back to a higher level. Similar challenge to Buendia, the club really moved forward whole they were injured, both play in key positions. I really hope both can have an impact, but I don't think it'd guaranteed personally. He was a pretty damn high level when he got hurt, maybe one step short of world class, and he was that one step short only because he has a mistake in him. He's still a better defender in the air than Pau. Against teams with an aerial threat, or teams that are otherwise very physical, he has to start ahead of Pau. Against, say, Manchester City, a team with a lot of small technical players who press hard, yeah, I'd rather have Pau there to beat the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 10 minutes ago, TomC said: He was a pretty damn high level when he got hurt, maybe one step short of world class, and he was that one step short only because he has a mistake in him. He's still a better defender in the air than Pau. Against teams with an aerial threat, or teams that are otherwise very physical, he has to start ahead of Pau. Against, say, Manchester City, a team with a lot of small technical players who press hard, yeah, I'd rather have Pau there to beat the press. Harland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Just now, mykeyb said: Harland? True, I forgot how Mings had Halaand in his pocket the first time he played against him. But against the rest of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 5 hours ago, peterw said: Doesn't say that this injury required 3 rounds of surgery, but that he has had 3 operations on the knee that is currently injured. That could include previous injuries to the knee. What is a little disconcerting is that he is still calling it his injured knee. The knee is no longer injured he's just out as he tries to bring his fitness up to the required levels. I remember when I had sa compound fracture I'd often refer to it as "my break" but the physio was at pains to correct me as it becomes a psychological barrier to see it as still injured. It shows how bad it was of a tear that he still refers to it as his injured knee, rather than 'this knee'. I remember when I broke both my elbows in my late teens and how the psychological recovery was tougher and longer than the physical. It took a long time to feel comfortable enough to even carry a crate of beer. To be fair, they were 24 packs back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 17 minutes ago, TomC said: He was a pretty damn high level when he got hurt, maybe one step short of world class, and he was that one step short only because he has a mistake in him. He's still a better defender in the air than Pau. Against teams with an aerial threat, or teams that are otherwise very physical, he has to start ahead of Pau. Against, say, Manchester City, a team with a lot of small technical players who press hard, yeah, I'd rather have Pau there to beat the press. The only games he’s starting ahead of Pau whilst Emery is in charge is when Pau is being rested. Torres is so key to how we play, it doesn’t matter one iota that Mings is better in the air. It’s also a massive reason why we’ve just signed a hulking great 6”6 CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 6 minutes ago, Cizzler said: The only games he’s starting ahead of Pau whilst Emery is in charge is when Pau is being rested. Torres is so key to how we play, it doesn’t matter one iota that Mings is better in the air. It’s also a massive reason why we’ve just signed a hulking great 6”6 CM. I disagree. Mings is not as good on the ball as Pau, but he's pretty good with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything11 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 On 17/08/2024 at 22:09, Monkeypuzzle said: 18 months? He was injured on day one of last season. That's 12 months and a couple of weeks before he is back in full training. The wrong side of 30? He's 31 in a time where some central defenders play into their 40s. It's 2024, not the 1980s. Also, as someone else said, he started professional football later than most. So that's why I'm confused that so many seemed utterly convinced that he will never recover. I'm not saying it's certain he will be 100% again, but it's a pretty good bet. Obviously you disagree. C'est la vie! He is 31. Whatever you want to say it is harder to recover from serious injuries the older you are (it is not impossible). He has already done the other knee. Imbalances/weakness creep up. You say his position doesn't rely on pace but that is most definitely one of his advantages. Without it life would become difficult. Its a complete unknown. However, to suggest its wild to think he doesn't get back to where he was is a bit disingenuous IMO. It often takes a lot of playing time to get back confidence and form and by that time he will be close to 32. Having said all that he seems like the kind of guy to make a full and miraculous recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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