Demitri_C Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I’m concerned but I think we need to give him at least about 10 games of the season before we know where we are with him as manager. That sounds fair. Im not suggesting sack him like the ridiculous thread asking for next villa manager after ONE league game. But we need to see a vast improvement quickly. As yesterday was awful and shite As much as i say mings is a 1 in 5 konsa is a 1 in 10 last season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 For me the issue isn't just him not playing yesterday in isolation, outside of it being for Konsa anyway, as Chambers has more than made a case for himself with his performances. It's the combination of that along with the general manner in which the captaincy situation was handled and Gerrard's comments on him yesterday. He's trying to make a statement with it and is coming off worse for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I’ve just read Gerrard comments on Mings. Sounds like he isn’t 100% fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacketspuds Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: The ball wouldnt have got to Moore Moore probably wont score another goal this season They’ve still got to play us at Villa Park. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 It's not just about the better presence in the air that Mings gives us but it is also about the way he vocally tries to organise the back line. Who was responsible for doing that yesterday? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reivax_Villa Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Let’s not forget, Mings was poor this pre season he shouldn’t have started. It’s crazy that the same fans that were slating him are the ones now backing him.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a-k Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Reivax_Villa said: Let’s not forget, Mings was poor this pre season he shouldn’t have started. It’s crazy that the same fans that were slating him are the ones now backing him.. We're backing him over how this situation has been handled. No need for Slippy to wait until the last week to strip the captaincy, demote him, and humiliate him with sly digs in interviews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Reivax_Villa said: Let’s not forget, Mings was poor this pre season he shouldn’t have started. It’s crazy that the same fans that were slating him are the ones now backing him.. A lot of fans were saying he shouldn’t be starting for us anymore. It’s a daft stick to beat Gerrard with. We shouldnt be losing to Bournemouth regardless of who our centre half pairing was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: A lot of fans were saying he shouldn’t be starting for us anymore. It’s a daft stick to beat Gerrard with. We shouldnt be losing to Bournemouth regardless of who our centre half pairing was. In isolation it is but it's part of a whole raft of mistakes that led to such a poor performance yesterday. What ever your view on Mings ability, Gerrard has treated him poorly in terms of captaincy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, Reivax_Villa said: Let’s not forget, Mings was poor this pre season he shouldn’t have started. It’s crazy that the same fans that were slating him are the ones now backing him.. I don’t think anyone is saying Mings is undroppable. No problem with playing someone ahead of him. The issue is saying for months he’s captaining the club under review, letting that fester all pre-season, then stripping him of the captaincy a few days before the opening game, not including him on the list of vice captains or club captains or people he talked about as leaders in the club, benching him for the first game away against Bournemouth, his former club, so he sat basically amongst their fans getting abuse, and then giving clearly disingenuous answers where he implied Mings wasn’t mentally ready but also dropped in “he has a bit of a niggle” as an afterthought. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I was surprised to see Mings on the bench and bewildered stripping him of the captaincy. Yesterday Konsa is poor and Carlos is still finding his feet, the team needed Mings. Both CBs resorted to hoofing the ball up the park at every opportunity... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: We shouldnt be losing to Bournemouth regardless of who our centre half pairing was. ability wise, agreed, but we needed a leader out there yesterday, which mings provides. there was no one driving that team on yesterday. i saw no one jeeing up that team when heads dropped (certainly not our actual captain, or either of our vice captains) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DJ_Villain Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 Absolutely love Tyrone… Hes taken our club to his heart and no doubt he is bitterly disappointed to be stripped of the captaincy. Yes, he makes mistakes… but he is humble, articulate, polite… He is 100% captain material and as far as being a good ambassador for our club, he’s right up there… I hope he shoulders the disappointment and uses it as encouragement and kicks on another gear… He comes across as a genuinely good chap 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Reivax_Villa said: Let’s not forget, Mings was poor this pre season he shouldn’t have started. It’s crazy that the same fans that were slating him are the ones now backing him.. Neither should Konsa. If it was about preseason form than Chambers should’ve started. And if there are fans that were slating him but now backing him, it’s not as if they’re flip-flopping for no reason. Tactically his height would’ve been incredibly useful against a tall Bournemouth team but also, and more importantly, it’s about how Gerrard seems to be treating him since he arrived. Edited August 7, 2022 by Aston_Villan4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 This thread would have you believe that Gerrard had dropped Baresi and stripped him of the captaincy. Gerrard has said that he would make a decision on captaincy after pre season. He spoke repeatedly about issues with the mentality of the team last season and even went to the lengths of publicly calling this out. Mings was captain throughout this period so let’s not get all revisionist and somehow think that Mings has some mythical Terry/Keane type leadership skills that make the team better etc. Furthermore Gerrard has again publicly stated that the first person he spoke to about the captaincy was Mings himself and told him the basis for his decision was to give him the space and room to focus on improving his own consistency. A respectful approach and one focussed on supporting the player. When asked the question yesterday he said that Ty is carrying a niggle and will be given every opportunity to get his place back. I don’t understand how anyone can view that as hanging the player out to dry and significantly implies that he wasn’t dropped - he just wasn’t in the right condition to start. Any other conclusion is absolute guesswork on those who want something else to beat the manager with. He was then asked specifically about the captaincy issue and answered honestly that it had impacted Mings (as we would all expect) hence the “look me in The Eye” comments. This is the sharp end of professional sport. It’s not some kindergarten office where everyone is watching their p’s and q’s. I have misgivings regarding Tyrone’s long term future at the club but I hope that this is the kick up the arse he needs to be the best player on the pitch he can be. We all know we can’t find a better man off the pitch but unfortunately that doesn’t get you any points. Re Gerrard, the jury is clearly out but he absolutely has the right to pick his own captain and it’s not as if Tyrone has led this team imperiously over the last season. I suspect that McGinn won’t be a long term captain either but unfortunately it’s slim pickings re the rest of the outfield starting players. In retrospect he probably should have gone with Martinez but many managers don’t like a GK as captain so that’s understandable as well. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Tbh I'm indifferent to Ming's starting yesterday. We have 4 decent CB's now with arguably the form player in Chambers not getting a sniff of the starting 11. So because of this I find it hard to feel sorry for Ming's. Where I do draw the line I suppose is managers making unnecessary public comments. It must have been seriously difficult for Tyrone to take the losing of the captaincy. Whichever way you cut it, demotion in any form unless opted for is a kick in the nuts. Readjusting to a new scenario and the questions you would ask yourself regarding where to go and what to do as a next step are going to occur. That's why I find it hard to accept Gerrard's approach to Ming's. Have more thought to the person. Whether you dislike, don't agree with or feel better about others, at least understand how that individual might feel and for some time after you've made a decision that effects them and their standing. Especially one who has an exemplary record and history with the club. The way I see it Tyrone has done nothing publicly or as an employee of our club at anytime since he arrived to deserve to be mugged off. Gerrard needs to wise up fast because if he starts alienating those held in high regard in a petty fashion, just because thing's aren't going his way he'll be up the road before long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Small sample size but we have won 1 of the 10 games Mings has missed since we got promoted vs bloody Norwich at home 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 We and Gerrard can talk of mentality yet when changes have been made to improve our mentality we still look fragile. Perhaps even worse. I've always thought of Mings as a leader on and off the pitch. Gerrard has wanted his own man yet it seems like a battle he didn't need to fight. McGinn was poor again and showed no leadership qualities and his performance against Bournemouth was usual for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Looking at Bournemouth's threats, and our choice of CBs, Mings should have started. Easy decision. If he's injured (which sounds a bit of a smoke screen) then I guess the decision is made by that. However, I imagine there have been plenty of times when he'll have played through a jiggle for the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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